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FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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If anyone at Opera is reading this:

Please open source Carakan and Presto - don't let them rot, and us hackers have what to learn with them (and potentially do with them). GPL is fine, and may let you still monetize it.

(And ... it's not like it's giving you any advantage - you've switched away from both)

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Unless Opera are building themselves their own little Firefox OS kind of thing they're pretty much fucked moving forward. On the desktop their move to webkit successfully destroyed every reason to use Opera and doesn't measure up against rivals, and they've been netscaped out of mobile.

An increasing proportion of Opera's (growing) revenue comes from advertising (they bought a few agencies recently) and their share price continues to climb. I don't think they have many problems moving forward, it's just less visible than their traditional consumer-facing domain. Still a shame they dropped Presto, though.

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Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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This is more interesting for what it means for Opera than for what it means to Fastmail. First they abandon their browser engine, now a top-notch webmail offering. What do Opera even offer these days that you can't get elsewhere? What 'long term vision' is Rob speaking of?

Unless Opera are building themselves their own little Firefox OS kind of thing they're pretty much fucked moving forward. On the desktop their move to webkit successfully destroyed every reason to use Opera and doesn't measure up against rivals, and they've been netscaped out of mobile.

The recently released Coast for iPad is interesting - coastbyopera.com/

I am thinking Opera want to be acquired?

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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I love Fastmail and have been a paid user for many years now, but I hate the new AJAXy interface, in particular the infinite scroll as currently implemented. Slow, annoying, and makes it difficult to reach old emails.

Fastmail has one of the few interfaces that gets infinite scrolling /right/. The outer mailbox div has overflow-y: auto; and the inner div is the combined height of every message in that folder -- my inbox has 11381 messages, and the height is 364192px. When the scrollbar is moved, JS automatically determines which messages to load. Messages themselves are tiny AJAX requests that take less than 100ms each.

This is from the perspective of using Chrome on high end hardware, but I couldn't ask for a better web interface.

That said, they aren't joking about needing a new mobile interface: the current one is usable, but definitely lacks the same polish as the desktop version.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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I don't think many people used Opera because of it's rendering engine; they used it because of the GUI and high-level features. Moving to webkit just let them focus on what actually made them unique to their customers.

I think you're generally correct about users not caring about the rendering engine for the most part. I wouldn't care at all that they ditched Presto if it meant they retained all the previous features and user interface they had before transitioning. However, I am worried that is unlikely to happen. Looking at the course Blink based Opera has taken thus far, it doesn't look like they're focusing on keeping current u…

I still use Opera 12 because of the lack of features in the new version. My biggest pet peevs: Ctrl+Tab behavior (Opera default was 'previous tab' now it's 'next tab') and no thumbnails tabs on the left, and they removed the email client.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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I use Opera just to maintain separate cookies haha.

I use it at work because it ignores the system policy against downloading exe files. I hate trying to download an installer and having Chrome tell me (after the fact) that the system blocked the file. Opera doesn't care and saves the file just fine.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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I love Fastmail and have been a paid user for many years now, but I hate the new AJAXy interface, in particular the infinite scroll as currently implemented. Slow, annoying, and makes it difficult to reach old emails.

I used to love gmail's webclient. When I moved to fastmail, I thought I'd miss that a lot. As it turns out, I started using thunderbird and K9 mail on my phone for reading e-mail and I never check my email from any browser at all. I feel now more comfortable with a dedicated email/calendar client - plus the enigmail extension - and it pushes me towards a good habit of never logging in into untrusted computers. I mean, I can't possibly be sure my own computer/cellphone are safe, let alone the other people's.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless Opera are building themselves their own little Firefox OS kind of thing they're pretty much fucked moving forward. On the desktop their move to webkit successfully destroyed every reason to use Opera and doesn't measure up against rivals, and they've been netscaped out of mobile.

The recently released Coast for iPad is interesting - coastbyopera.com/ I am thinking Opera want to be acquired?

> I am thinking Opera want to be acquired?

Possibly. They were uncannily quick in adopting Blink. The series of events seemed to be Opera->WebKit, Google->Blink, Opera->Blink... so perhaps they want to get cosy with Google? Although, I can't see what G would want with them.

I think it's also known that, sometime around IE7, Microsoft tried to acquire them. Microsoft have long since made their bed though... unless they want a better mobile browser.

Either way, it'd make total sense for Opera to ditch their email operation if they were looking to be acquired by a business with an established email product already. Especially when many Fastmail customers are there because of their particular niche in service.

Perhaps it's the new Blackberry group? Dark horse! :P

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless Opera are building themselves their own little Firefox OS kind of thing they're pretty much fucked moving forward. On the desktop their move to webkit successfully destroyed every reason to use Opera and doesn't measure up against rivals, and they've been netscaped out of mobile.

The recently released Coast for iPad is interesting - coastbyopera.com/ I am thinking Opera want to be acquired?

There were rumors last year that Facebook might acquire Opera. They didn't. But maybe someone else will.

As a FastMail user I was very concerned with last year's rumors. Now I don't care because FastMail doesn't have anything to do with Opera anymore.

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