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Re: First Weekend iPhone Sales Top Nine Million, Sets New Record

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Post by mladenkovacevic » Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 3:59 PM UTC

giarc wrote: post #19

mladenkovacevic wrote: post #18

Which record did they break? What was the previous record? While I have no doubt that this was overall a record-breaking weekend for Apple, they are likely hoping that this gets interpreted as iPhone 5S sells better than the iPhone 5 did at its opening weekend. I think this is highly unlikely, though, because the 9 million includes both iPhone 5s and iPhone 5C, whereas previous year's record breaking sales number of…

I would say that there is too much speculation in your comment . You go from 4.5 million devices all the way to 2.25 just because you think 5C's are selling better?

Well yes speculating is for humans too. I wasn't entirely speculating though. I had read a headline saying that 5c is 3 times as popular as 5s. So trying to be as just in my speculating as I could, I went for a best-case worst-case range.

But in this instance it reminds me that to err is human as well. Because while trying to find the headline I was thinking of, I realized I'd mixed up my C's and my S's. It's the iPhone 5s that could be 3 times as popular as the 5c (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57604127-37/iphone-5s-acti...).

So here is my new speculation! iPhone 5c sells 2.25 million while iPhone 5s sells 6.75 million units. Indeed that's a little better than last year's 5 million, but my speculative gut is still telling me the 5c to 5s ratio is not quite that high.

Re: First Weekend iPhone Sales Top Nine Million, Sets New Record

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Post by Kequc » Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 4:03 PM UTC

acchow wrote: post #16

Kequc wrote: post #12

Apple's marketing is insufferable. The apple designed A6 chip? What a complete load. What did they design exactly, the apple logo they paste on it? And they talk about going 64bit on a device that has only 1GB of memory as though that is a benefit to anyone. It will slow down every single app out there currently. The benefit of going 64bit is that it gets people to start writing apps that support the technology. For…

> The apple designed A6 chip? AFAIK, these claims are actually legitimate since Apple's acquisition of P. A. Semi a few years ago. > And they talk about going 64bit on a device that has only 1GB of memory as though that is a benefit to anyone. Double-precision floating point instructions will be much faster. > Who is buying a phone that costs more than 3 times as much as its competitors and the screen size still hasn…

According to wikipedia the processors that PA Semi make are not used in any of Apple's current devices. Which would be part of the reason I'd never heard of that. The A6 chip is designed and manufactured by Samsung. Apple may have had a hand in encouraging them to go 64bit on something that uses a GB of memory, because why else would Samsung do that. But that doesn't exactly count.

It is not much faster because the amount of memory is not enough to make the technology really useful. The technology uses more memory than 32bit. Many tests have been conducted on this kind of thing 64bit isn't new. It has been shown that using less than 4GB of memory with a 64bit processor can often result in slower speeds.

Let alone like I mentioned that all the 32bit apps now have to run on top of another layer in the OS. And, apps that take advantage of 64bit will either not run on any other device, or they will have separate versions for 64bit and 32bit. Or they will simply be 32bit.

Which will I would imagine be the case for at least a little while.

I was referring to the Nexus 4 in my price comparison. A phone which is in the process of being replaced with a new version very soon. It's a good phone.

More pixels my eye can't see at what distance? It's a handheld device I'll hold it at whatever distance I want to. 720p is a reasonable resolution to expect. This isn't 2010 anymore.

Are my criticisms really that unreasonable?

Re: First Weekend iPhone Sales Top Nine Million, Sets New Record

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Post by acchow » Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 4:47 PM UTC

Kequc wrote: post #22

acchow wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The apple designed A6 chip? AFAIK, these claims are actually legitimate since Apple's acquisition of P. A. Semi a few years ago. > And they talk about going 64bit on a device that has only 1GB of memory as though that is a benefit to anyone. Double-precision floating point instructions will be much faster. > Who is buying a phone that costs more than 3 times as much as its competitors and the screen size still hasn…

According to wikipedia the processors that PA Semi make are not used in any of Apple's current devices. Which would be part of the reason I'd never heard of that. The A6 chip is designed and manufactured by Samsung. Apple may have had a hand in encouraging them to go 64bit on something that uses a GB of memory, because why else would Samsung do that. But that doesn't exactly count. It is not much faster because the a…

> According to wikipedia the processors that PA Semi make are not used in any of Apple's current devices.

This is misleading. PA Semi used to make Power chips. Apple uses only ARM and x86 now, so of course anything from PA Semi isn't in any apple products. But, we won't hear any announcements about PA semi's work anymore since PA Semi has stopped its Power business and its 150 employees were subsumed into Apple. Apple claims to have designed the custom ARM chips in their iDevices. You think they are lying about that? They certainly have the engineering power to do it...

> I was referring to the Nexus 4 in my price comparison. A phone which is in the process of being replaced with a new version very soon. It's a good phone.

Yes, the Nexus 4 is a good phone. It's not a "great" phone. The camera quality is terrible; when you put it face down on a table the ringer is mostly inaudible; the battery life leaves much to be desired; speaker quality is bad; no LTE; etc. It doesn't compete with the high end smartphones, and it's priced accordingly.

> Are my criticisms really that unreasonable?

I believe your criticisms are based upon inaccurate assumptions. Please check your facts.

Re: First Weekend iPhone Sales Top Nine Million, Sets New Record

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Post by Kequc » Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 5:10 PM UTC

acchow wrote: post #23

Kequc wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to wikipedia the processors that PA Semi make are not used in any of Apple's current devices. Which would be part of the reason I'd never heard of that. The A6 chip is designed and manufactured by Samsung. Apple may have had a hand in encouraging them to go 64bit on something that uses a GB of memory, because why else would Samsung do that. But that doesn't exactly count. It is not much faster because the a…

> According to wikipedia the processors that PA Semi make are not used in any of Apple's current devices. This is misleading. PA Semi used to make Power chips. Apple uses only ARM and x86 now, so of course anything from PA Semi isn't in any apple products. But, we won't hear any announcements about PA semi's work anymore since PA Semi has stopped its Power business and its 150 employees were subsumed into Apple. Appl…

I now resign myself from speaking to Apple people anymore I am just way too busy for this crap. Check my facts check this.

Re: First Weekend iPhone Sales Top Nine Million, Sets New Record

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Post by smith7018 » Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 5:20 PM UTC

Kequc wrote: post #24

acchow wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> According to wikipedia the processors that PA Semi make are not used in any of Apple's current devices. This is misleading. PA Semi used to make Power chips. Apple uses only ARM and x86 now, so of course anything from PA Semi isn't in any apple products. But, we won't hear any announcements about PA semi's work anymore since PA Semi has stopped its Power business and its 150 employees were subsumed into Apple. Appl…

I now resign myself from speaking to Apple people anymore I am just way too busy for this crap. Check my facts check this.

What a cop out answer.

You seriously just said you won't converse with Apple users because they'll actually check your facts for truth.

Re: First Weekend iPhone Sales Top Nine Million, Sets New Record

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Post by acchow » Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 8:28 PM UTC

Kequc wrote: post #24

acchow wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> According to wikipedia the processors that PA Semi make are not used in any of Apple's current devices. This is misleading. PA Semi used to make Power chips. Apple uses only ARM and x86 now, so of course anything from PA Semi isn't in any apple products. But, we won't hear any announcements about PA semi's work anymore since PA Semi has stopped its Power business and its 150 employees were subsumed into Apple. Appl…

I now resign myself from speaking to Apple people anymore I am just way too busy for this crap. Check my facts check this.

> I now resign myself from speaking to Apple people

I'm actually an ex-googler and have been using Android as my daily carry for over a year. Not sure what this discussion has anything to do with possibly being a member of some nebulous "Apple people" group.