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Why we moved our startup from San Francisco to Berkeley

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Re: Why we moved our startup from San Francisco to Berkeley

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True, I was thinking from the perspective of a grad student. I got a nasty shock when my "original tenant" housemate moved out and my rent jumped up 20%. (Berkeley rent control only applies while at least one original tenant remains, but I had no idea I was benefiting so much from rent control up to then.) 20% may not sound like a lot, but I'm pretty sure grad student stipends haven't gone up more than a few % over t…

> I got a nasty shock when my "original tenant" housemate moved out and my rent jumped up 20%. Thanks for posting this. I have a nice sunny one bedroom apartment for $1000/month a few blocks away from UC campus, which I'm only getting for that price because I pretended to move in with my friend, when in actuality he was moving out of the building after living there for around 4 years. So our names are both on the lea…

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, check the Berkeley rent board website for actual laws etc.

I believe if your name is actually on the lease, you are protected by rent control the same way as the original tenants. What a lot of landlords (like mine) do is deliberately avoid adding new housemates to the lease, basically treating them as subletters who then aren't protected by rent control.

See: http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/Rent_Stabilization_Board/Home/G...

> The new roommates are considered subtenants of the original occupants as long as they do not sign a lease or rental agreement with the landlord

> Thus, a landlord may implement a vacancy increase (i.e., establish a new initial rent) by giving 30 days' written notice if (1) there has been a complete turnover of original occupants; (2) none of the remaining occupants lawfully resided in the unit before January 1, 1996; (3) none of the remaining occupants has signed a lease or rental agreement with the landlord

Re: Why we moved our startup from San Francisco to Berkeley

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bitgym (the authors startup) seems to be a solution in search of a problem. I cant speak for everyone, but when I go to the gym, I am happy to be away from computers and mobile screens- I just want to be real for a while.

Actually at the gym I love having distractions from just thinking about the workout - so I often use multiple screens.

Re: Why we moved our startup from San Francisco to Berkeley

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...and now Berkeley rents will start rising to match San Francisco rents. Plus if you want to live in the Downtown area, you'll be competing with students who want to be right next to campus. Since the spending power of a software engineer far outweighs that of a student, the students are going to get royally screwed on this.

>...and now Berkeley rents will start rising to match San Francisco rents. Downtown Berkeley is already pretty close to San Francisco rents. I recommend getting out of the zone where you are competing with Cal students. Near Ashby BART to be closer to nightlife and Oakland/San Francisco, or near North Berkeley BART for a safer, quieter existence.

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Re: Why we moved our startup from San Francisco to Berkeley

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I'm really hoping for more of this all around the Bay especially to places with lower costs of living while still being very accessible to The City. Our office is based in Mountain View but lately a lot of coworkers have been going to Santa Cruz on weekends to play beach volleyball, surf, and kick back. Looking at Craigslist, I'm seeing a ton of office space centrally located in downtown Santa Cruz for around $1-$2 a…

HWY 17 is really brutal for commuting.

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Re: Why we moved our startup from San Francisco to Berkeley

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HWY 17 is really brutal for commuting.

Yeah, I guess it might be possible if you're a small company and everyone is willing to live close by but if you need to attract talent, that commute would be an obstacle.

A fairly large number of potential hires already live in Santa Cruz. The primary commute direction is from SC to the Valley rather than the reverse, because there are many more software engineers living in SC than tech jobs there, so they have to drive over the hill to San Jose or Mountain View or Cupertino to work. Plenty would be happy to skip that drive and take a job in Santa Cruz, if more existed.

Re: Why we moved our startup from San Francisco to Berkeley

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In addition to Berkeley, nearby Emeryville is a very nice place to live. It's close to a lot of public transit (freeways, MacArthur BART, bus lines on San Pablo) and 15 minutes across the bay bridge to SF and 5 minutes from Berkeley. Large companies (like Pixar and Bayer) and a few startups (like TubeMogul) are here already. A medium/big startup considering the peninsula could make a big splash and see high ROI choosing Emeryville.
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