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Re: Survata Tests Yahoo’s 30 Logos

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> "A logo is really a visual manifestation of all the complex ideas, values and people that fuel a company" You lost me here. A logo is a marketing tool. What part of the yellow and red double arches says "hamburgers"? What part of a weird green mermaid-thing says "coffee"? What part of staggered striped blue lines say... actually nevermind, that one actually does say "IBM", literally. A logo is more frequently abstr…

"What part of the yellow and red double arches says "hamburgers"? What part of a weird green mermaid-thing says "coffee"? What part of staggered striped blue lines say... actually nevermind, that one actually does say "IBM", literally." There is, though, a reason why the IBM logo is blue and blocky, not yellow and arch-y - same as there's a reason the mermaid-thing isn't a geometric-thing and is green-on-brown not re…

I agree design language matters - don't take me as anti-designer. I believe that this article severely and massively overstates it, though. Effective design hints at the intended message (sometimes, though as you get more iconic this design message becomes more and more abstract), it does not build the brand.

Take Whole Foods as an example - the typography, colors, and accents on the logo all refer to a desired corporate identity, but it would IMO be severely overstating the case to say that this is the embodiment of the company's brand, as the article seems to be claiming for Yahoo. The logo is but one tiny part of a huge puzzle, the vast majority of which lies firmly in the realm of marketing and branding.

Honestly, IMO Yahoo could change their logo to nearly any of the crazy options that they played with, and their brand would not be measurably worse off (or better off). Once you move away from "Bob's Burger Palace" with a giant neon burger for a logo, you're getting into territory where the perceptual impact of your logo becomes more and more esoteric, hard to measure, and subtle. I sincerely doubt anyone looks at the Yahoo logo and goes "those disjoint serif letter sure sound like a fun and dynamic website!"

There are good logos and bad logos, IMO the notion that logo design and measurably influence brand perception (especially when you get into extremely abstract logos like Yahoo, Apple, or even Google) is true, but severely overstated by some designers. It would seem to me that a successful logo is less about messaging and more about its longevity and ability to be iconic.

If you took some text and wrote it IBM-style, it would still be visibly IBM. If you took the red-yellow combination and put it on something without the arches, it would still be visibly McDonald's. The mermaid figure that represents Starbucks is so out there, and the green so consistently applied to all of its branding, that it can stand alone without the name of the company and still be instantly recognizable. Those factors are IMO far, far more important to a logo than the extremely abstract ideas and values they represent.

Re: Survata Tests Yahoo’s 30 Logos

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Quoting from TFA: This is the kind of nonsense that results from fundamentally misunderstanding what a logo is. Rephrasing: This is the kind of [blog post] that results from fundamentally misunderstanding what a [marketing stunt] is [and then proceeds to market/promote the thing about which it's complaining]. After looking at some of the logos, it was very clear that Yahoo was playing around and not seriously testing…

They may have included non-serious candidates as part of the experiment design, e.g. for control purposes, or simply to make up numbers.

Re: Survata Tests Yahoo’s 30 Logos

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google and their doodles are part of their identity. The fact that it changes, and the way it changes affects people's perception of who google is, and their fundamental philosophy and approach to things. This idea of a changing logo was pioneered by Frank Olinsky and his MTV identity work. The change is part of the logo, not a search for a new/better one. On the other hand, "not violating the sanctity of a logo" say…

Right, but if Google had played with their logo for 30 days, and then stopped, would it really be any different from if they'd never played with their logo ever?

Well, I'm only commenting on what I think the point of the article is. On the other hand, that point is undermined by comments in this thread about what the actual intent was. If the intent was just to be playful, (like say, the episode of Doctor Who in which the Time Lady Romana tries on different "bodies" before settling on a new actress to play her) then that's not at all like the scenario I described. It's more like dying your hair a different color each day on a bet.

However, to some people, (the author specifically) it's /come off/ as the situation described. So, without really seeing more evidence, I can tentatively conclude "a swing and a miss". But I can't fault them for trying.

Re: Survata Tests Yahoo’s 30 Logos

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post #6

This "church of design" approach to criticism is intense. The idea that you can't violate the sanctity of a logo by playing with it is refuted every day by Google and their doodles.

Google and their doodles are part of their identity. The fact that it changes, and the way it changes affects people's perception of who google is, and their fundamental philosophy and approach to things. This idea of a changing logo was pioneered by Frank Olinsky and his MTV identity work. The change is part of the logo, not a search for a new/better one. On the other hand, "not violating the sanctity of a logo" say…

But Yahoo never took a survey to see what people liked. Someone else took a survey. This is more like you declared a "silly hat month" and wore 30 different silly hats to work each day and someone at another office took a poll to see which one people liked best.

Re: Survata Tests Yahoo’s 30 Logos

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post #12

I am thoroughly convinced that Yahoo! is purposefully putting out 30 crappy logos so that the stunning one they've spent considerable time and money on and that they're releasing tomorrow will just seem that much better.

This was my hypothesis, too. I'm disappointed.
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