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Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

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Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

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"Mr. Mukerjee appears to have been flagged by the Behaviour Detection Officer (BDO) while in line for what appeared to be unusual behaviours. [...] it is impossible to assess what caught the Officer’s attention, but the TSA source indicates Mr. Mukerjee was already on someone’s radar before he chose to opt-out." What 'unusual behaviors' led to him getting flagged? While maybe Mr. Mukerjee had suspicious behavior I'm…

I call foul on behavioral detection.

I sincerely doubt there's a way to differentiate between someone who is ill and someone who is pale and has the jitters because they're about to do something bad. I moreover call foul on the notion that there are enough of the latter set to build an effective training program to create effective BDOs.

What's actually happening here is probably that BDOs are being used to justify retroactively special treatment given to people for invented reasons. It's sort of like a false alert from a drug dog - it's a claim that you can't really cross-examine, since the supposed microexpressions someone exhibits are too fast or too small to be picked up by a camera.

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

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Well, I can understand why he'd become "agitated" after being told his options were to leave without his bag or be subjected to an "obscene" screening.

Also, regarding:

"There are no independent sources within the TSA or Department of Homeland Security (DHS) who can find any record of NYPD involvement – let alone a search of his apartment by federal authorities – and there is no incident report referencing any further action involving Mr. Mukerjee."

Given what we know about NSLs and such, how could we possibly believe that the lack of unclassified records is proof that no search took place?

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#23
whether it was blogged about or not, it seems like this author obtaining and reporting so much internal detail about this incident is an incident unto itself.

also, his shilling herein for TSA and Jet Blue smells like a conflict of interest:

Steven Frischling, aka: Fish, is... airline emerging media consultant working with large global airlines...

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if the TSA want to screw you, you are screwed Period please read yesterdays post Detained in the US for “Visiting Thailand Too Much” http://www.richardbarrow.com/2013/08/detained-in-the-us-for-... discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6276939 read the last couple of sentences "Be careful about what you have on your laptop and memory card in your camera. They could search everything. The pictures of your kid…

So... purchasing goods abroad which are illegal in the US, and then trying to import them into the US, may result in those goods being confiscated and you being made to pay a fine?

This is unprecedented in the history of everything!

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

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post #4

Sorry I am still taking his side. This writeup is not only just nit-picking his story - it's using the TSA as witness against itself. I am most certainly not going to the take TSA's word for what happened. That would be like taking the NSA's word to congress for example. What do you think happens by lesser agencies on non-sworn testimony when they see what their big-brother can get away with? And the "behavior detect…

>Prove to me they didn't search his home without serving him a warrant and then we'll talk about the accuracy of this story.

Can't really prove a negative - what would the evidence look like? The reasonable question to ask is "prove to me they did search his home without serving him a warrant."

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

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whether it was blogged about or not, it seems like this author obtaining and reporting so much internal detail about this incident is an incident unto itself. also, his shilling herein for TSA and Jet Blue smells like a conflict of interest: Steven Frischling, aka: Fish, is... airline emerging media consultant working with large global airlines...

I popped his name into google to see what else he did. Judging from the autocomplete he appears to have pissed off some people previously.

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

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post #4

Sorry I am still taking his side. This writeup is not only just nit-picking his story - it's using the TSA as witness against itself. I am most certainly not going to the take TSA's word for what happened. That would be like taking the NSA's word to congress for example. What do you think happens by lesser agencies on non-sworn testimony when they see what their big-brother can get away with? And the "behavior detect…

> Prove to me they didn't search his home without serving him a warrant and then we'll talk about the accuracy of this story.

How do you prove a negative. The key for me is that he got the NYPD & Port Authority mixed up. Innocent on its own, except the bit where the Port Authority has no jurisdiction outside airports.

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

#28
post #5

Why does "keeping in mind that false positives with ETD are not uncommon" sound unsettling to me?

If you've got a better way to distinguish trace amounts of explosive chemicals, i'm sure they'd love to pay you millions for machines to test it :) http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/tcrp_rpt_86v6.pdf looks relavent here. Completely skimming it, the test sites had false positive rates of 0.6 - 1.8%. I'd classify that as "not uncommon".

And what is the false negative rate?

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

#29
Airport security is frequently humiliating. I myself have been nearly reduced to tears just by customs agents when crossing the border on business. However, this man set off a bomb detector. He set of the machine that detects bombs, repeatedly. After that event, nothing Mr. Mukerjee reported is particularly surprising, and I would expect to have a similar experience if I set off the same detector. I don't believe his race had nearly as much of an effect on his experience as is believed.

Re: Did The TSA and JetBlue Deny Travel For Looking Muslim During Ramadan? No

#30
Your not making your case at all. It's like saying "yeah we violated his rights, but we had our reasons" if the whole world ran on the reasoning of one person or organization it's usually considered authoritarian. Which is exactly what's happening in the US
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