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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why boycott companies? It's not companies who did this.

Companies based in Britain bring in tax revenue, which then funds the British authorities, who look to be rather corrupt.

Pick other issues you have concerns about (human rights, animal rights, dubious banking practices, tobacco etc) and you get 2 birds with one stone.

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why boycott companies? It's not companies who did this.

Companies based in Britain bring in tax revenue, which then funds the British authorities, who look to be rather corrupt.

Right. So what happens if a company decides to protest and not pay taxes? Government is going to make its life very difficult, to say the least. How is this a company's fault if a gang of bandits steal money from it to finance nasty things?

It's like saying "Let's not go to this bar anymore, because mafia comes in every now and then and confiscates profit from the owner". Owner is not responsible and the mafia is going to invade every bar you switch to, because it follows the money.

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post #4

Sounds quite similar to me. "As Gestapo chief of operations and later (after 1939) its chief, Müller played a leading role in the detection and suppression of all forms of resistance to the Nazi regime.[12] Under his leadership, the Gestapo succeeded in infiltrating and to a large extent destroying the underground networks of the Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party by the end of 1935." http://en.wikipedia…

oh yes absolutely. just like the Gestapo. and the NKWD. i mean this is like a photocopy. sending people to concentration camps/gulags, murdering families. it is so 1:1 it is downright scary. you're so brave. so brave.

Partaking in arguably illegal wars. Killing and torturing innocents at military bases. Kidnapping people and flying them off to be tortured (mainly a US hobby, but helped by the UK), lying to press and parliament about what is happening, helping out dictators etc. There are parallels to be found.

Re: U.K. Government Thought Destroying Guardian Hard Drives Would Stop Stories

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post #4

Sounds quite similar to me. "As Gestapo chief of operations and later (after 1939) its chief, Müller played a leading role in the detection and suppression of all forms of resistance to the Nazi regime.[12] Under his leadership, the Gestapo succeeded in infiltrating and to a large extent destroying the underground networks of the Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party by the end of 1935." http://en.wikipedia…

oh yes absolutely. just like the Gestapo. and the NKWD. i mean this is like a photocopy. sending people to concentration camps/gulags, murdering families. it is so 1:1 it is downright scary. you're so brave. so brave.

boi_v2 noted a similarity between specific actions. No reasonably intelligent adult could read his comment and come to the conclusion that he thinks they are gassing Jews; the exaggeration is your own. Take your "bravery" bullshit back to reddit.

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#25
post #16

Why bother to read to 1984 or Animal Farm anymore. We see in every bloody story these days. This story is perfectly 1984 in a nutshell.

It seems to me that some people read those books and didn't understand them to be cautionary.

It describes Stalinism as it already existed at the time.

1984 was neither prophetic nor cautionary; it was merely descriptive.

Re: U.K. Government Thought Destroying Guardian Hard Drives Would Stop Stories

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why boycott companies? It's not companies who did this.

Companies based in Britain bring in tax revenue, which then funds the British authorities, who look to be rather corrupt.

If less tax is raised in UK, do you think that's actually going to stop things like this happening? Of course not, it's just going to make life slightly shittier for British people. The way to fix this is to make it a big enough political issue in the UK that the government backs off.

Re: U.K. Government Thought Destroying Guardian Hard Drives Would Stop Stories

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies based in Britain bring in tax revenue, which then funds the British authorities, who look to be rather corrupt.

Right. So what happens if a company decides to protest and not pay taxes? Government is going to make its life very difficult, to say the least. How is this a company's fault if a gang of bandits steal money from it to finance nasty things? It's like saying "Let's not go to this bar anymore, because mafia comes in every now and then and confiscates profit from the owner". Owner is not responsible and the mafia is goi…

Tax evasion isn't a good way to protest. If it were, you'd see a lot of people jumping on that bandwagon, just so they could have more money at the end of the year! Imagine that being pitched on a shareholder's meeting. "This fiscal year... we are going to protest our taxes. We project a 30% increase in profits."

Re: U.K. Government Thought Destroying Guardian Hard Drives Would Stop Stories

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies based in Britain bring in tax revenue, which then funds the British authorities, who look to be rather corrupt.

If less tax is raised in UK, do you think that's actually going to stop things like this happening? Of course not, it's just going to make life slightly shittier for British people. The way to fix this is to make it a big enough political issue in the UK that the government backs off.

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Re: U.K. Government Thought Destroying Guardian Hard Drives Would Stop Stories

#29
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. So what happens if a company decides to protest and not pay taxes? Government is going to make its life very difficult, to say the least. How is this a company's fault if a gang of bandits steal money from it to finance nasty things? It's like saying "Let's not go to this bar anymore, because mafia comes in every now and then and confiscates profit from the owner". Owner is not responsible and the mafia is goi…

Tax evasion isn't a good way to protest. If it were, you'd see a lot of people jumping on that bandwagon, just so they could have more money at the end of the year! Imagine that being pitched on a shareholder's meeting. "This fiscal year... we are going to protest our taxes. We project a 30% increase in profits."

It's not a good way to protest and people don't jump on that bandwagon simply because government is gonna make their lives very very unpleasant. That's why I say that I wouldn't advocate it - it is immoral to demand from people that they complicate their lives by engaging into a fight with IRS or whatever your tax agency is in your country. But essentially, taxes are forced payments. If it wasn't so, I guarantee you, 90% (if not more) would stop paying.

Re: U.K. Government Thought Destroying Guardian Hard Drives Would Stop Stories

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies based in Britain bring in tax revenue, which then funds the British authorities, who look to be rather corrupt.

Pick other issues you have concerns about (human rights, animal rights, dubious banking practices, tobacco etc) and you get 2 birds with one stone.

Totally. There are a lot of reasons to boycott a few of those companies. The tail end of your comment reminds me an animal related reason to boycott BP.
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