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Hackers backdoor the human brain, successfully extract sensitive data

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Re: Hackers backdoor the human brain, successfully extract sensitive data

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This is an awfully contrived title for an article that could be summarized as "people can find out whether or not you recognize something shown to you by monitoring electrical activity along the scalp."

missing the point. This is huge. Maybe not in the way presented in the article, but nonetheless...

Don't polygraphs basically do this already?

Re: Hackers backdoor the human brain, successfully extract sensitive data

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"Thought crime" will soon have a much darker and more dangerous meaning. Of course NSA will want to tap everything people are thinking, just like they're already treating all human communications "to keep us safe". I don't think it's a stretch to think they'll want to do that, too, if nothing changes, and people continue to let them do anything they want in the name of "national security".

Re: Hackers backdoor the human brain, successfully extract sensitive data

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missing the point. This is huge. Maybe not in the way presented in the article, but nonetheless...

Don't polygraphs basically do this already?

They're not admissible as evidence in court (in the US, as far as I know).

Re: Hackers backdoor the human brain, successfully extract sensitive data

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This relies on an unsuspecting victim wearing a complicated nonstandard headset and then looking at a series of images / numbers slowly enough to register each of them consciously.

In what world would the victim not become suspicious?

(I appreciate things may change in the future, and if brain control headsets become common then a malware model (ad popups, for example) could provide a plausible vector for this attack.)

Re: Hackers backdoor the human brain, successfully extract sensitive data

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Don't most people have a 4 digit pin? But in any case showing pins that way wouldn't work anyway - most people have a muscle memory for their pins, but would not recognize them when written down.

I recently got a new card and remembered the PIN spatially. After a few times of typing it in I realised that, though I was typing the digits of the new PIN, I was subvocalising the digits of my old PIN. It was a really odd sensation. Having said that, I would recognise both PINs as both a string of digits and as a spatial sequence... so that would probably just be another attack vector.

> I realised that, though I was typing the digits of the new PIN, I was subvocalising the digits of my old PIN.

I trained myself to do this on purpose; subvocalising a different number. If I'm drugged out in a hospital bed and someone asks for my CC PIN, I want them to get an incorrect number.

Re: Hackers backdoor the human brain, successfully extract sensitive data

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This is pretty common for how Emotiv presents itself. If you look through their site and write ups about their Epoc headset, you'll find the same kind of overhyped and misleading information.

It's cool that home BCI is so cheap now, I just wish they weren't trying to captilize so heavily on it.

Re: Hackers backdoor the human brain, successfully extract sensitive data

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This relies on an unsuspecting victim wearing a complicated nonstandard headset and then looking at a series of images / numbers slowly enough to register each of them consciously. In what world would the victim not become suspicious? (I appreciate things may change in the future, and if brain control headsets become common then a malware model (ad popups, for example) could provide a plausible vector for this attack…

Is it conscious or subconscious? Because that makes a huge difference on speed and subtlety of the attack.

Re: Hackers backdoor the human brain, successfully extract sensitive data

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I recently got a new card and remembered the PIN spatially. After a few times of typing it in I realised that, though I was typing the digits of the new PIN, I was subvocalising the digits of my old PIN. It was a really odd sensation. Having said that, I would recognise both PINs as both a string of digits and as a spatial sequence... so that would probably just be another attack vector.

> I realised that, though I was typing the digits of the new PIN, I was subvocalising the digits of my old PIN. I trained myself to do this on purpose; subvocalising a different number. If I'm drugged out in a hospital bed and someone asks for my CC PIN, I want them to get an incorrect number.

Well that took a turn... Do you also by chance drink poison every day to build immunity for when that vicious lad taps your drink?

Re: Hackers backdoor the human brain, successfully extract sensitive data

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missing the point. This is huge. Maybe not in the way presented in the article, but nonetheless...

I absolutely agree that the technology has plenty of use cases and that the paper the article's written about presents an interesting new perspective on security. I was, however, annoyed that the article's title and opening paragraphs seem to take something relatively elementary (it's a feasibility study!) and frame it as some sort of Inception-esque mind-hacking situation. In other words: I agree about the value of…

I completely agree here. Good information here, and lots of potential when you think about it could be applied with other machine learning algorithms that are currently being used with "real-time fMRI". Indeed, I don't think we're far off from reducing the gap between neuronal activity and behavioral patterns, but we need to keep in mind that the brain is incredibly complex, highly variable between individuals, and most of the time, presents quite a poor signal-to-noise ratio with the technology currently available.
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