Hey guys, The ABI Hub is an awesome coworking space and startup incubator in Manchester, NH. http://abihub.org/ I've been going there for a few months and moved to NH at the beginning of the year. It has been awesome. There is a technology scene ready to bloom in Manchester. Also, the cost of living is about 50% of Boston's. For those who aren't from around here, NH doesn't have unfair taxes :)
Massachusetts Introduces Software Service Tax
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Re: Massachusetts Introduces Software Service Tax
#22So with that in mind, the implementation problems include:
1) There was very little notice given to the affected parties - the bill passed July 24, effective July 31. (This is somewhat unavoidable, since part of the stated purpose of the tax is to fund transportation projects in 2013 - so delaying its effects would be counterproductive to the underlying goal).
2) There's still quite a bit of ambiguity surrounding implementation, including - crucially - what's taxable and what isn't. MA DOR (the state's version of the IRS) has issued some FAQs [2] and clarifications - which, annoyance aside, have actually been helpful. However, they only begin to answer the very real questions that this presents for many businesses - but we're responsible for collecting the tax basically yesterday (first filing due September 20, to cover taxes starting August 1). I read today that DOR will issue additional clarification and guidance in October... which I can only assume will be retroactive. So we'll likely be forced to either charge some people an unnecessary tax, or take an unexpected 6% revenue cut, or possibly end up having to pay penalties. Merits of the tax aside, the uncertainty - inevitable with such a new rule! - is what's killer.
3) Broadly speaking, the distinction they're trying to draw in the law does seem a bit weird. As I understand it (and IANAL, but have talked to a few - all of whom are still trying to parse what this means), if I write a custom CMS "from scratch", that's still considered a tax-free service. If I train you on, say, Wordpress (or any open-source or commercial product, really), that's still tax-free as well. If, however, I build a plugin to integrate Wordpress with your in-house SSO system - that's taxable. A custom theme? Probably.
Where do frameworks fit in? (Say, if I write you a shiny, custom CMS in Django). I don't know. There's a specific clarification issued by DOR that operating systems are exempt - or rather, to quote directly: "Custom application software (including custom software that incorporates such proprietary code) that is designed to run on a prewritten operating system is treated as custom software and not as a modification of the prewritten operating system software."
There are some interesting caveats being carved out - for example: "Suppose a computer system is designed but not actually built, so software is never actually integrated with hardware. Are the services still subject to sales tax? No."
Again, while on the whole I'd of course prefer that this tax go away entirely, at the end of the day it's no more or less rational than the taxation (or non-taxation) of many other goods and services. The critical problem here is the implementation, which introduces a whole lot of uncertainty and risk into a business that, until a few days ago, has never had to deal with this sort of thing.
[1] http://www.mass.gov/dor/businesses/help-and-resources/legal-...
[2] http://www.mass.gov/dor/docs/dor/law-changes/faqss-computer-...
Re: Massachusetts Introduces Software Service Tax
#23Hey guys, The ABI Hub is an awesome coworking space and startup incubator in Manchester, NH. http://abihub.org/ I've been going there for a few months and moved to NH at the beginning of the year. It has been awesome. There is a technology scene ready to bloom in Manchester. Also, the cost of living is about 50% of Boston's. For those who aren't from around here, NH doesn't have unfair taxes :)
NH has no sales tax and no state income tax. Of course you have much fewer "services" than MA. For example MA has a 19 member Commission on the Status of Women - which of course needs an executive director. And the executive director needs an assistant.
And the crux of the matter - as NH does absolutely nothing against federal taxes, you'll still be paying the majority of your present transaction costs.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the idea is a fairly reasonable one, taxing large enterprises for charging insane support/servicing fees. Their implementation of it sounds really crappy though.
What on earth about this is "reasonable?" How is this any different from other professional services? We're supposed to live in a free market society where customers have the choice to pay those "insane" fees if they want to. You're advocating that the government stick their noses into the business decisions of the private sector. It's funny that this takes place at the site of the first tax rebellion.
The problem here is somebody wrote a "services tax" without the first clue what they were actually doing. It's like intending to impose a new cigarette tax, but writing it such that anything which burns might fall under the definition of cigarette.
Also, the main point is that they're not following the spirit of the law. The primary value is the software, but they're under-charging for it and over-charging for related services in order to avoid taxation on the true value of the software. That's what someone was ham-fistedly trying to fix.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems ridiculous to charge only one profession for providing service, and it sounds like software people just have the worst lobbyists and the worst public image (plumbers are the iconic symbol of the "little guy" small business). Here in Ontario it's much simpler (but steeper) - the harmonized provincial/federal sales and service tax is 13% on everything. Sales, service, you don't have to give a crap. There's a s…
You guys pay 13% every time money exchanges hands? Does that include when you eat a restaurant, and if so, do you also tip the waiter?
Re: Massachusetts Introduces Software Service Tax
#26According to a friend of mine who is relatively knowledgeable about this law, it was originally intended to target enterprise companies that were essentially selling software for next to nothing and then charging like mad for the "installation and configuration" to avoid sales tax. The wisdom of even that approach is debatable, but the actual language of the law is far from conveying that intent and is a total, indec…
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems ridiculous to charge only one profession for providing service, and it sounds like software people just have the worst lobbyists and the worst public image (plumbers are the iconic symbol of the "little guy" small business). Here in Ontario it's much simpler (but steeper) - the harmonized provincial/federal sales and service tax is 13% on everything. Sales, service, you don't have to give a crap. There's a s…
You guys pay 13% every time money exchanges hands? Does that include when you eat a restaurant, and if so, do you also tip the waiter?
In some states groceries are exempt from sales tax, but restaurant food is not exempted by any state (except in the trivial sense in states that don't have a sales tax at all).
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems ridiculous to charge only one profession for providing service, and it sounds like software people just have the worst lobbyists and the worst public image (plumbers are the iconic symbol of the "little guy" small business). Here in Ontario it's much simpler (but steeper) - the harmonized provincial/federal sales and service tax is 13% on everything. Sales, service, you don't have to give a crap. There's a s…
You guys pay 13% every time money exchanges hands? Does that include when you eat a restaurant, and if so, do you also tip the waiter?