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Twilio is erroneously over-billing and suspending accounts

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Re: Twilio is erroneously over-billing and suspending accounts

#21
post #9

Wow. Seriously? Learn to code.

How is that constructive at all? Shit happens. My code has bugs, your code has bugs. Just about everyone has something break at some point. At least Twilio has some reasonable disclosure of these issues on their dashboard to inform people of what is going on. I'm sure they will rectify the issue as soon as they have everything back up and running.

That is why companies should be made accountable for software errors, just like most industries.

Re: Twilio is erroneously over-billing and suspending accounts

#22

This is bad. It'll badly affect people with low bank balances and high overdraft charges - it'll be interesting to see how Twilio reimburses people for charges banks levy on customers.

They should be ok if they reverse the charges before the transaction is completely processed.

Re: Twilio is erroneously over-billing and suspending accounts

#23
post #14

Haha, the one time in my life having an outdated credit card on file paid off.

Better double-check. Sometimes credit card companies allow charges to continue to flow through old, expired, even cancelled / compromised credit cards. I learned first-hand that a card can still process charges after AMEX allowed about 7 months of Netflix charges to continue to be processed from a card number I'd reported compromised.

Re: Twilio is erroneously over-billing and suspending accounts

#24

This is bad. It'll badly affect people with low bank balances and high overdraft charges - it'll be interesting to see how Twilio reimburses people for charges banks levy on customers.

Or if it's on a credit card and you hit your credit limit and they keep trying to charge. How do you reimburse for a drop in credit rating?

Normally, if these errors occur and are dealt intraday, there should not be a problem.

So I would wait and see, how this is handled. I see updates about every half hour, so I suspect, that they will handle the rest as transparent as well...

Disclaimer: Not a customer.

Re: Twilio is erroneously over-billing and suspending accounts

#25

We've been charged about 10k and going up... Looks like their auto-recharge balance test keeps returning 0 or less than 0, it charges your card, and loop. EDIT: Looks like they're doing something - the UI at least now displays $500, rather than $10k before. The only real confidence I'll get is when I can see todays account transactions from the bank.

Dear god I hope the $500 in shows in my UI isn't just a ruse to stop me worrying before knowing it's actually in the XXXX/X price range!

Re: Twilio is erroneously over-billing and suspending accounts

#26

This is bad. It'll badly affect people with low bank balances and high overdraft charges - it'll be interesting to see how Twilio reimburses people for charges banks levy on customers.

Or if it's on a credit card and you hit your credit limit and they keep trying to charge. How do you reimburse for a drop in credit rating?

This is unlikely to happen given most cards report monthly with a 30-day delay. Assuming you're able to contest the charges there would be no effect on your rating.

Debit/bank users are definitely the most susceptible.

Re: Twilio is erroneously over-billing and suspending accounts

#27
post #5

I'm glad they (and most of us) are not in the business of making insulin pumps or other software where such bugs could have potentially lethal consequences.

Unfortunately you use very different software development practices which are designed to move slower for things where lives are on the line. Things more akin to Spiral and Waterfall.

Re: Twilio is erroneously over-billing and suspending accounts

#29
For people commenting about overdraft charges, Dreamhost went through this a while back. I was in college at the time, and didn't realize they'd drafted a second charge to my account. A series of small transactions later, and I was $300 in the red with very little income to fix it. They offered to reimburse overdraft fees for those affected, but I never was reimbursed.

This is also great as a "how not to tell customers that you just double billed them." At least Twilio is getting this right.

http://dreamhost.com/dreamscape/2008/01/15/um-whoops/

Step 1: Don't complain to the customer how inconvenient your massive mistake was for you.

Re: Twilio is erroneously over-billing and suspending accounts

#30
This sort of thing has happened before to another company, but that was a case of human error compounded by the fact that there were no software safeguards in place.

http://dreamhost.com/dreamscape/2008/01/15/um-whoops/

At the very least, it would be wise for any company to implement billing features that will under bill rather than overbill. Under billing at least gives you the option of notifying users later (or you just eat it). Overbilling can sour a professional relationship to the point of ending it.

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