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19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by ramon »

sanoli wrote: post #17

There used to be a separate printer attached to the voting machines, which would print each individual vote, in the presence of the voter, and would automatically go into a ballot, and it would be used in case there was an allegation of fraud. They of course did the dumb thing and did away with the printer, now they only have printouts of the total votes after the session is done and the machines are about to leave t…

This is because vote buyers would ask for the receipt after the vote is concluded, to prevent this they do a unified printing.

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by ramon »

swah wrote: post #18
jturolla wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting how people believe in completely random and untrusted sources.

http://www.viomundo.com.br/denuncias/amilcar-brunazo-ridicul...

I don't think it's viable to do this type of offline hacking in a voting session, unless you steal the voting machine.

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by ramon »

I think this is bull*, where are the logs? How did he manipulate the results? Did he use a API Call? From a packet interception? If then how? at what time?.. Did he call the application or the database? What's the server call in? Is it Webservice? You know.. It's a lot more questions than answers.. I think we need real proof of what the heck is going on before we assume this is real, he needs to be the ultimate master of manipulation in order for noone to have seen this since there are so many people comparing the printed results versus the final one...

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by a1a »

diego_moita wrote: post #16

The real issue here is not if voting machines are the perfect solution, it is about what is the better solution. And if anyone knows voter fraud in Brazil, these machines are a lot better than the manual system. At least it demands the people committing the fraud to be a lot smarter than they used to be in manual counting.

I have no knowledge what so ever about voter fraud in Brazil, but I am pretty certain it cannot be worse than using voting machines (See: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/voting/SealsOnVotingMachi...). I think there is many things in this world that "needs a chip", voting is however not one of them.

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by IanMalcolm »

cturner wrote: post #10

Hey - I had an idea for how electronic voting could work. Voters would enter their vote into a computer. The computer would print out a card for you, and show it to you from behind a perspex card. You would then say "OK" to verify that it was correct and it would drop into a box. Now there'd be a physical copy of the cards. These could be counted and checked by scrutineers as the current electoral process works. They…

I worked in the last elections in Brazil.

Every machine (which is never online) prints a sum of all votes at the end of the day, and several copies are given out to those who are working the poll site.

So there is a hard copy of the votes, and anyone can check.

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by IanMalcolm »

This is old - and unverified - news.

This has been posted verbatim in several places already.

http://www.lucaspeperaio.com.br/blog/hacker-de-19-anos-conta... http://www.pragmatismopolitico.com.br/2012/12/hacker-fraude-... http://www.tecmundo.com.br/brasil/34010-em-evento-no-rj-hack... http://jornalistaflavioazevedo.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/hacke...

All from blogs. Not a single major news source.

This is, most likely, complete bullshit.

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by dudus »

cturner wrote: post #10

Hey - I had an idea for how electronic voting could work. Voters would enter their vote into a computer. The computer would print out a card for you, and show it to you from behind a perspex card. You would then say "OK" to verify that it was correct and it would drop into a box. Now there'd be a physical copy of the cards. These could be counted and checked by scrutineers as the current electoral process works. They…

This seem like a lot more complicated and expensive.

Why not just give the voter a unique hashed password that he can enter the internet and verify the vote that was computed for that password. Then the voters are the ones that will verify the election.

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by ramon »

IanMalcolm wrote: post #26

This is old - and unverified - news. This has been posted verbatim in several places already. http://www.lucaspeperaio.com.br/blog/hacker-de-19-anos-conta... http://www.pragmatismopolitico.com.br/2012/12/hacker-fraude-... http://www.tecmundo.com.br/brasil/34010-em-evento-no-rj-hack... http://jornalistaflavioazevedo.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/hacke... All from blogs. Not a single major news source. This is, most likely,…

I agree totally its not real!

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by Retric »

dudus wrote: post #27
cturner wrote: post #10

Hey - I had an idea for how electronic voting could work. Voters would enter their vote into a computer. The computer would print out a card for you, and show it to you from behind a perspex card. You would then say "OK" to verify that it was correct and it would drop into a box. Now there'd be a physical copy of the cards. These could be counted and checked by scrutineers as the current electoral process works. They…

This seem like a lot more complicated and expensive. Why not just give the voter a unique hashed password that he can enter the internet and verify the vote that was computed for that password. Then the voters are the ones that will verify the election.

It breaks voter ananimity which is vary important to avoid people directly paying for votes.

Re: 19-year-old hacker reveals how he rigged voting machines and election in Brazil

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Post by cturner »

IanMalcolm wrote: post #25
cturner wrote: post #10

Hey - I had an idea for how electronic voting could work. Voters would enter their vote into a computer. The computer would print out a card for you, and show it to you from behind a perspex card. You would then say "OK" to verify that it was correct and it would drop into a box. Now there'd be a physical copy of the cards. These could be counted and checked by scrutineers as the current electoral process works. They…

I worked in the last elections in Brazil. Every machine (which is never online) prints a sum of all votes at the end of the day, and several copies are given out to those who are working the poll site. So there is a hard copy of the votes, and anyone can check.

    > So there is a hard copy of the votes, and anyone can check.
I think it's not enough to have the ability to do a count. It needs to be inherent to the system. Think of it as being similar to double-entry book-keeping.

Otherwise you can come up with situations like that described in the comment elsewhere here by DaviNunes, where a request for a check cound was denied by courts. In that election - it wasn't true that anyone could check.

You'd get all the institutional protections of the current system. But you could minimise confusing/invalid ballot entries, and get a decisive election result for media purposes on the day of the election.

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