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The problem is that any Ubuntu phone that is released will likely be just as locked down and filled with bloatware as everything else with Verizon.
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It is two 'champions of FOSS' but only one clear winner for us privacy-conscious users. Long-term Ubuntu user here looking forward to retiring my Android phone for a Firefox model. I just got a Nexus 4 for my wife and for the first time ever didn't replace my phone at the same time. If Firefox releases something a bit higher-end in the next 6-9 months I am very likely to switch.
>for us privacy-conscious users You're phone's OS is almost entirely irrelevant with regard to privacy. The snooping that we know about (PRISM, AT&T selling private data, etc.) is happening at the carrier level.
The problem is that any Ubuntu phone that is released will likely be just as locked down and filled with bloatware as everything else with Verizon.
If Canonical were smart, they should also work with handset manufacturers on a clean version of their software without all the crap - the Nexus phone approach. When given the option, most people opt for the crap-free phone. I have a feeling that if Canonical does not push this option it could really tarnish their name - like how Microsoft is always associated with viruses and malware.
The problem is that any Ubuntu phone that is released will likely be just as locked down and filled with bloatware as everything else with Verizon.
iPhone doesn't come with bloatware? Why couldn't Ubuntu pull that off as Apple has? Less bargaining leverage, I guess...
Especially if you do it for one carrier - you can't easily say no to the next one.
Whereas with Apple, the carrier has no idea if the product is capable of their needs, and besides with the Apple brand it will sell millions regardless.
"open/flexible" is a double-edged sword.
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It is two 'champions of FOSS' but only one clear winner for us privacy-conscious users. Long-term Ubuntu user here looking forward to retiring my Android phone for a Firefox model. I just got a Nexus 4 for my wife and for the first time ever didn't replace my phone at the same time. If Firefox releases something a bit higher-end in the next 6-9 months I am very likely to switch.
I'm pretty torn about Firefox OS. On the one hand: * Mozilla's at the helm. My privacy is more likely to be respected. * Whipping up Firefox OS apps is stupid simple. On the other: * They don't seem to want to target higher-end handsets. * There's no NDK and as far as I'm aware there are no plans for one. While most of my Android apps could be rebuilt easily in Firefox OS, the programs with 3D graphics or C library d…
Apple tried to go the same route with the original iPhone and there's a very good reason why it wasn't successful -- and it wasn't just the state of JavaScript technology at the time.
If Apple can't do without a native SDK and Google can't, I don't know why Mozilla thinks it can.
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I'm pretty torn about Firefox OS. On the one hand: * Mozilla's at the helm. My privacy is more likely to be respected. * Whipping up Firefox OS apps is stupid simple. On the other: * They don't seem to want to target higher-end handsets. * There's no NDK and as far as I'm aware there are no plans for one. While most of my Android apps could be rebuilt easily in Firefox OS, the programs with 3D graphics or C library d…
No native development kit is a non-starter for me personally. Apple tried to go the same route with the original iPhone and there's a very good reason why it wasn't successful -- and it wasn't just the state of JavaScript technology at the time. If Apple can't do without a native SDK and Google can't, I don't know why Mozilla thinks it can.
Apple is a for-profit corporation that makes money off its market for native apps.
Google is a for-profit corporation that makes money off its market for native apps.
Mozilla is a non-profit organization whose mission to advance the open web.
Different goals, different requirements.
The problem is that any Ubuntu phone that is released will likely be just as locked down and filled with bloatware as everything else with Verizon.
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No native development kit is a non-starter for me personally. Apple tried to go the same route with the original iPhone and there's a very good reason why it wasn't successful -- and it wasn't just the state of JavaScript technology at the time. If Apple can't do without a native SDK and Google can't, I don't know why Mozilla thinks it can.
> If Apple can't do without a native SDK and Google can't, I don't know why Mozilla thinks it can. Apple is a for-profit corporation that makes money off its market for native apps. Google is a for-profit corporation that makes money off its market for native apps. Mozilla is a non-profit organization whose mission to advance the open web. Different goals, different requirements.
I'm fine with Mozilla wanting to advance the web; but not at the cost of precluding the possibility of applications that need native SDKs.
I personally find your for-profit argument specious at best.
So, for a Ubuntu phone, at least on the privacy/respect front, it's no better than Android. Android has better support, has a ton of third party support and the weight of Google behind it. Can anyone explain why should I switch to a Ubuntu phone?