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The SEC Just Voted To Lift The Ban On General Solicitation

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Re: The SEC Just Voted To Lift The Ban On General Solicitation

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I think this is a mixed blessing. I agree that the ban has been a hindrance on people trying to find investors but lifting it may not be the best solution. If you look at the way YC demo day works, its a pretty reasonable way for potential investors to find startups which are compatible with their investment goals. I think this addresses the challenge of the general solicitation rule (finding the startups) without th…

> I believe lifting this ban increases the noise significantly without much boost to the signal.

I think you are correct but only if you consider everything in aggregate.

There will be channels set up that will significantly boost the signal to noise ratio that could not exist under current rules. Channels like crowdfunding sites that /will/ collect information that the SEC might not require but will be useful for potential investors.

I, for one, will be seeking out these channels and vetting them for myself and will recommend the same to anyone who asks.

There is going to be turbulence while people find the balance but I still think this will be an overall win.

Re: The SEC Just Voted To Lift The Ban On General Solicitation

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post #8

I think this is a mixed blessing. I agree that the ban has been a hindrance on people trying to find investors but lifting it may not be the best solution. If you look at the way YC demo day works, its a pretty reasonable way for potential investors to find startups which are compatible with their investment goals. I think this addresses the challenge of the general solicitation rule (finding the startups) without th…

And what do you think an "unvetted startup" is? Who decides what is vetted and isn't?

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Re: The SEC Just Voted To Lift The Ban On General Solicitation

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post #8

I think this is a mixed blessing. I agree that the ban has been a hindrance on people trying to find investors but lifting it may not be the best solution. If you look at the way YC demo day works, its a pretty reasonable way for potential investors to find startups which are compatible with their investment goals. I think this addresses the challenge of the general solicitation rule (finding the startups) without th…

Heaven forbid that the peasants should get to decide what to do with their money.

The peasants still don't get to decide: if they're not accredited investors, they cannot invest. This to prevent exploitation of unsophisticated investors. During the Great Depression, many small time investors, including many blue collar workers, lost their entire investment portfolio due to the lack of security and oversight in the investment world.

Re: The SEC Just Voted To Lift The Ban On General Solicitation

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You still need to be an accredited investor to take part in these potential general solicitation rounds (net worth above $1 million, minus primary residence, or annual income of more than $200,000), right?

This article confusingly referred to "qualified" investors but according to other reporting it is actually "accredited" investors [1]. This is particularly confusing because "qualified purchasers" is an even higher standard required for some investments [2]. [1] http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/10/us-sec-advertising... [2] http://globalfundexchange.com/about/230

Good catch, I've s/qualified/accredited. Thanks!

Re: The SEC Just Voted To Lift The Ban On General Solicitation

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I think it's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out.

For one thing, I expect it to continue the trend of shifting the balance of power from investors to founders. Basically, this will be a huge amount of new competition for angel investors. And crowdinvestors don't have voting rights or a board seat. In order to continue to get into deals they want, angels and VCs will have to bring more value to the table and accept less favorable terms. So I would guess, anyway.

On the other hand, it isn't necessarily going to be a river of cash for anyone who wants it. Along with the art of pitching to individual investors, one will also have to learn the art of pitching to the crowd -- and will be competing against everyone else doing the same thing. I expect to see a small industry of companies assisting founders in this new kind of marketing.

Re: The SEC Just Voted To Lift The Ban On General Solicitation

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I don't have a particular objection to the change, but it's a little overstating the previous situation to say that only people with access to private networks could fund startups. Startups couldn't advertise overtly with "Got $1000? Fund us!" banner ads on Facebook, but nothing prevented a potential investor from emailing the contact addresses of interesting companies the investor saw on TechCrunch or HN, and asking if the company is interested in discussing an investment. Some companies will even telegraph their openness to such contacts on their website (not phrased as a solicitation, but making it clear they are in a fund-raising phase).

Re: The SEC Just Voted To Lift The Ban On General Solicitation

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post #8

I think this is a mixed blessing. I agree that the ban has been a hindrance on people trying to find investors but lifting it may not be the best solution. If you look at the way YC demo day works, its a pretty reasonable way for potential investors to find startups which are compatible with their investment goals. I think this addresses the challenge of the general solicitation rule (finding the startups) without th…

As with most things involving the 1st amendment right to free speech, you get a mixed blessing. Letting the KKK run around in their garb troweling their bigotry by the metric ton has generally not been a 'win' for me either. But being able to exchange ideas on the NSA matter on HN has been good.

We've gotten accustomed to freedom of speech when it comes to political matters, but we tolerate all sorts of restrictions in commerce. The SEC has basically said in the past that if you are raising money and want to talk about it, you're only allowed to talk to certain people at certain times and not others. Same with direct to consumer advertising of drugs. The FDA was essentially saying that pharmaceutical companies could only talk to doctors about what they have on offer, not patients.

More recently (and less of a hot-button issue) the FDA got smacked down by an appeals court for their restrictions on what pharma sales people could tell doctors about off-label use of drugs (that is, drugs used in a manner not approved by the FDA). The FDA has said in the past that it's illegal for sales reps to promote off-label uses of drugs to doctors. This is true even in cases where these off-label uses are written up in the medical literature. Note that it has never been against FDA regulations for anyone else to tell the doctors about off-label use of drugs (e.g. other doctors, the janitor, Hollywood celebrities, etc...). The courts have basically said that this is a first amendment violation because it places limits on specific individuals when society as a whole benefits from the free, unrestricted flow of truthful medical information.[1]

[1]http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/04/us-offlabel-convic...

Re: The SEC Just Voted To Lift The Ban On General Solicitation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heaven forbid that the peasants should get to decide what to do with their money.

The peasants still don't get to decide: if they're not accredited investors, they cannot invest. This to prevent exploitation of unsophisticated investors. During the Great Depression, many small time investors, including many blue collar workers, lost their entire investment portfolio due to the lack of security and oversight in the investment world.

"This to prevent exploitation of unsophisticated investors."

Sure it is.

Re: The SEC Just Voted To Lift The Ban On General Solicitation

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I think this is a positive step, but doesn't go far enough. It looks like investing is still limited to accredited investors (individual income above $200k, household income above $300k, or net worth above $1M). So basically, most engineers who work at these companies can't invest in companies in their industry, but inexplicably their doctor can.

I'm not one to beat the drum of deregulation, but I think the accredited investor requirements are stupid and wrong. The beauty of the securities laws is that they democratized investing by addressing some of the information asymmetries in the public markets. Regimes that reduce disclosure requirements at the expense of creating accredited investor requirements throw the baby out with the bathwater. Essentially, you cut off many promising investments to the masses, and also artificially prop up the returns to a certain class of investors by lowering the supply of capital. It's a solution that's worse than the problem.

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