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Ask HN: How does one create a fake identity?

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Re: Ask HN: How does one create a fake identity?

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The first thing to do is realize that there are only a few limited situations in which you are ever legally obligated to tell the truth (or to say anything at all). Allow that to empower you and the truth will literally set you free. Truthfully, you are almost always free to lie. Find those boundaries and tiptoe without crossing them. I imagine that even if you are able to take advantage of some of the other advice i…

I agree with you, but I don't think you should consider the act of using multiple identities itself to be lying. Or at least, calling it that seems harsh. Do actors lie when they use stage names? Are authors lying when they publish under pen names?

Sure, some may use nicknames or professional names because they're more marketable. But others use pseudonyms for privacy protection. They want to compartmentalize their own identity, and I consider that a perfectly valid purpose.

Re: Ask HN: How does one create a fake identity?

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post #21
post #15

The first thing to do is realize that there are only a few limited situations in which you are ever legally obligated to tell the truth (or to say anything at all). Allow that to empower you and the truth will literally set you free. Truthfully, you are almost always free to lie. Find those boundaries and tiptoe without crossing them. I imagine that even if you are able to take advantage of some of the other advice i…

I agree with you, but I don't think you should consider the act of using multiple identities itself to be lying. Or at least, calling it that seems harsh. Do actors lie when they use stage names? Are authors lying when they publish under pen names? Sure, some may use nicknames or professional names because they're more marketable. But others use pseudonyms for privacy protection. They want to compartmentalize their o…

Those are both examples where you would heavily expect suspension of disbelief so I don't think they're analogous to the purpose the OP is asking about. You're not testing your skills against people, you're testing them for people.

Re: Ask HN: How does one create a fake identity?

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Source: a long time ago I read several books on this topic because I collected odd books and I found three of them in an estate sale. The instructions below are how this was done in the early 90's and earlier, but today, with increased security and faster records access, the information is probably well out of date.

Traditionally, the best way to do this has always been to establish a solid "breeder document". This is a document used to procure other documents and assure someone that the person is who they claim to be. Typically this was a birth certificate.

There were two general ways of doing this. One way was to apply for the birth certificate of someone already alive, but living in another state and unlikely to travel internationally (assuming you wanted a passport). However, this is less likely to be successful today given the widespread information available on everyone.

The other way was to acquire the birth certificate of someone who was deceased. In theory, you want someone who was born in one state and died in another to ensure that the birth certificate won't be stamped as "deceased".

One thing to be avoided is to scan news stories of people who died in well-publicized accidents: if others have applied for the birth certificate (having the same idea in mind) too many times, a certificate may get flagged as suspect and extra scrutiny be applied to requests for it.

Note that instructions for applying for birth certificates are rather lax: http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/reqproc/certified_copy.shtm. Given today's software, it's trivial to fake a "photocopy" of an ID . You'd want the birth certificate sent to a mail drop (http://www.maildropsearch.com/) and have it forwarded on to another address for added security.

Once you have the birth certificate, you then start obtaining "supporting" documentation, such as library cards, or maybe register for a local community college and get a student ID (those are often easy to get and are readily accepted as valid ID).

Eventually you'll want to apply for a state-issued ID card. Some states have stricter requirements than others. There was a time when you could apply for one with a library card and your birth certificate, but those times seem to be long-gone. States will generally require a social security number, too.

Applying for the social security number was always the tricky bit. One source recommended altering your "photocopied" documents to show that you were under-age and then apply by mail (the Social Security card doesn't list your age, after all). If you are ready to retire, file to correct the "bookkeeping error" that incorrectly lists your age. I am suspicious of whether or not this would work.

As you can see, the process is essentially one of building momentum of starting with small, easy-to-acquire documents and working your way up the chain. It was a long, slow, laborious process and it used to be that acquiring an alternate identity wasn't necessarily illegal so long as you did not due so for purposes of fraud. Today, I believe it's illegal in all fifty state.

That being said, I wouldn't try this today (hell, I never would have tried it when it was still feasible). It's worth several penal slaps on the wrist.

I'm sure that a cunning person can take the plan above and work out how to acquire a new identity today, but I'd not recommend it.

Update: or if it's a passport you want, there are alternatives: http://www.overseas-exile.com/2013/07/buying-second-passport.... For example, http://www.diplomaticpassport.com/ is known to be a couple of shady guys who have contacts with various third-world government people in African nations who, for the right price (a couple of hundred thousand, last I heard), will get you a diplomatic passport from a dodgy country, but due to the movie "The Ambassador" outing them, they've laid low. The site used to have a somewhat larger presence on the net: http://web.archive.org/web/20070403230615/http://www.diploma...

Re: Ask HN: How does one create a fake identity?

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you use fake-quotes like "freedom enhancement techniques" and someone discovers that no three-letter agency or government organization has ever actually said such a thing -- that such a quote isn't exactly grounded in reality (Google only turned up http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/01/31/832543/-President-P... , which was satire), they're inclined to believe "Hey, if they weren't entirely truthful with this asp…

Oh come off it--he's just using quotation marks to emphasize sarcasm.

It is frustrating that quotation marks have come to have two, almost perfectly opposite meanings (the traditional "words someone actually said" and the new "words no one actually said"). I guess the battle against the new usage is lost though.

Re: Ask HN: How does one create a fake identity?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh come off it--he's just using quotation marks to emphasize sarcasm.

It is frustrating that quotation marks have come to have two, almost perfectly opposite meanings (the traditional "words someone actually said" and the new "words no one actually said"). I guess the battle against the new usage is lost though.

I think it's much more preferable that having (not!) next to phrases. Using quotation marks arose because there's no quick way to use a backwards question mark which was the traditional symbol.

Re: Ask HN: How does one create a fake identity?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh come off it--he's just using quotation marks to emphasize sarcasm.

It is frustrating that quotation marks have come to have two, almost perfectly opposite meanings (the traditional "words someone actually said" and the new "words no one actually said"). I guess the battle against the new usage is lost though.

Language. Fascinating stuff!

But seriously, "internet" is now a dialect of English, and putting things in "" marks as a substitute for tone is commonly accepted.

Re: Ask HN: How does one create a fake identity?

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Source: at 17 I was running a black-hat hacker collective and had, through a series of bad choices, got pretty deep into the 'real-world' side of that business: fraud. The day after my 19th birthday my house was raided by the US Secret Service and the UK Serious Organised Crime Agency in a worldwide coordinated swoop that took in dozens of loosely affiliated people. I have since completely rebuilt my life, so I don't mind anonymously sharing this.

Stealing an identity is trivially easy. Society revolves around relationships of trust between organisations and individuals, and the trust runs amazingly deep. The basic information you need to do it is publicly available: date of birth, mother's maiden name (on the birth certificate and parents' marriage certificate respectively, copies available on request from the records office).

Carrying out the ID theft takes resources and balls. You'll need to be able to manufacture ID documents, or have access to someone who does. Nowadays you can buy them on one of the onion dark markets. Generally you want a driving license, as this is the easiest to forge form of ID that gets you complete access. Banks, governments, etc. will accept it.

Sadly, making driving licenses is not too hard - document security is pretty weak. You'll need to make yourself some ultra-high resolution scans, trace the entire design in illustrator, and then get hold of some printing equipment. You usually want to print on teslin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teslin_(material)), and laminate with a high-quality laminator. UV seals can be easily replicated by hacking an epson printer to use modified cartridges with UV pigments injected into them. Holograms can also be replicated by dusting your laminate with interference pigments and reverse-printing in clear ink to fix the design. It can all be done on commodity hardware.

With a driving license and dob/mother's maiden name you can then access a huge amount of someone's sensitive information, and more importantly, control their relationships with organisations. I don't want this to be a tutorial, so I'll simply say that with several more pieces of information you can take out credit in someone's name, control their existing accounts (e.g. by adding yourself as a new cardholder), or start causing trouble in their name.

A final word of caution. While it's easy to get people's information from government records offices, it's even easier to get it from them personally. We used to call people and social engineer them into giving us their DOB, bank account numbers, secret words, etc. Don't be stupid with your information: never tell someone your data down the telephone unless you called them. Oh, and if you're thinking of committing identity fraud, think again. It's not hard to pull off, but you're not smart enough to do it without getting caught. Everyone gets caught in the end.

Re: Ask HN: How does one create a fake identity?

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post #20
post #9

You used to look through a graveyard to find a dead child born a similar year as you. You then got their birth certificate. Birth Certs say "MUST NOT BE USED AS IDENTIFICATION", but it's part of the paper bundle that builds credibility.

> find a dead child born a similar year as you. You then got their birth certificate. You're missing the crucial step of: how on earth would you get the birth certificate of some unrelated 30-years-dead kid?

You can apply for a birth certificate even without ID yourself.
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