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Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night

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Post by coldtea »

davidw wrote: post #15
dep_b wrote: post #13

This article should be flagged for containing Argentinean government propaganda.

Welcome to the new HN. The rate of political stories after datagate broke has skyrocketed, and I don't think the genie will go quietly back in the bottle. You can downvote me all you want: I have a shitload of this useless karma stuff that I built up on the old HN.

It's a social site. HN members find those stories relevant.

Perhaps some people (including, you, I presume) don't care about surveillance, privacy, freedom of information and the like enough to want to highlight those issues on HN.

They'd rather talk about Google buying some company, how someone learned Golang and Node.js all day.

But I wouldn't call those people "hackers".

Not in the traditional cultural sense.

Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night

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Post by davidw »

coldtea wrote: post #21
davidw wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to the new HN. The rate of political stories after datagate broke has skyrocketed, and I don't think the genie will go quietly back in the bottle. You can downvote me all you want: I have a shitload of this useless karma stuff that I built up on the old HN.

It's a social site. HN members find those stories relevant. Perhaps some people (including, you, I presume) don't care about surveillance, privacy, freedom of information and the like enough to want to highlight those issues on HN. They'd rather talk about Google buying some company, how someone learned Golang and Node.js all day. But I wouldn't call those people "hackers". Not in the traditional cultural sense.

I don't understand the mental processes that lead you and others to think that if I don't enjoy politics taking over this site, then I must not care about the issues in question.

Another site I read often is www.cyclingnews.com - they have great coverage of professional bicycle racing, which I love to read about and watch.

You know what, though? I find politics annoying there too.

You know where I like to read about politics? The Economist is pretty good. www.corriere.it is pretty good for local stories. And there are other sources I read from time to time.

This site is a great place to talk about startups and tech. There aren't many of those. There are approximately 343244329165 sites where people can have inane discussions about things like whether the US is really "exactly like China and Russia".

Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night

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Post by [deleted] »

mr_luc wrote: post #8

I've said it since early in Correa's campaign, and I'll say it again: that guy is a really special politician. He's his country's Bismark, but he's done it all democratically. I've been living down here 9 months per year for the last 7 years and it's been an interesting time. Check out his Enlace Ciudadanos on their youtube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/PresidenciaEc and you'll see how he goes way beyond the s…

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Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night

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Post by Fargren »

wslh wrote: post #16

For people who don't know about Argentinian politics it's important to emphasize that Cristina Fernandez has her own NSA project: http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfroma... Not only that, Cristina's Government anticipates Obama using the local IRS against the opposition and individuals speaking against the government in the press. Finally... a few days ago Assange said: "Argentina has most aggres…

Well, that assertion by Assange is somewhat out of context. What he said is that of the medium sized Latin American countries, Argentina's surveillance was the most aggressive. He also said it was nothing compared with what's being done in the USA, the UK or China. So calling it "her own NSA" seems a bit disingenuous, at least from this perspective.

Link to the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If7MbOvuEbg

Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night

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Post by mpyne »

davidw wrote: post #15
dep_b wrote: post #13

This article should be flagged for containing Argentinean government propaganda.

Welcome to the new HN. The rate of political stories after datagate broke has skyrocketed, and I don't think the genie will go quietly back in the bottle. You can downvote me all you want: I have a shitload of this useless karma stuff that I built up on the old HN.

> You can downvote me all you want: I have a shitload of this useless karma stuff that I built up on the old HN.

I, on the other hand, have built only a few small open source things. My karma consists overwhelming of political-related posts.

But I still liked HN better when I had nothing to contribute to the conversation, as there was always a comment to upvote which had already said what I had wanted to say.

Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night

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Post by olvar »

wslh wrote: post #16

For people who don't know about Argentinian politics it's important to emphasize that Cristina Fernandez has her own NSA project: http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfroma... Not only that, Cristina's Government anticipates Obama using the local IRS against the opposition and individuals speaking against the government in the press. Finally... a few days ago Assange said: "Argentina has most aggres…

The reaction of different latin-american governments has nothing to do with the NSA scandal, but with the prohibition given to Evo morales to flight and leave Europe.

In particular, she is not taking a stance regarding spying, but against the humiliation suffered by the president of a sovereign nation.

Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night

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Post by dep_b »

coldtea wrote: post #20
dep_b wrote: post #13

This article should be flagged for containing Argentinean government propaganda.

Whereas the tons of articles of US propaganda are OK, right? Including stuff that is said "matter of factly" but are blatant BS. If you think it has "argentinian government propaganda" point to it. Not to the obvious fact (that it was written by the argentinian president). Specifics. What is propaganda in it, what is bad about it, etc. Even more appreciated would be n extra line or two, of why "argentinean government…

Well first of all the Twitter channel of the president is a government propaganda channel, not a news channel. I don't disapprove of them doing that, they need to win another election and this is their stage.

> [a word which here evokes the memory of the last dictatorship, which exterminated some ten to thirty thousand of its political opponents, a crime that wasn't successfully prosecuted until Sra. Fernandez and her late husband did so in their presidencies]

That is a totally unnecessary glorifying addition not even present in the original tweets. Has little to do with the subject but hey let's drag it in. Happy to see those fuckers locked up though, no question about that.

> [This is a reference to the President's years-long struggle against preventative injunctions put in place by Argentine courts against her efforts to break up the big Argentine media trusts that are her strongest local political enemies.]

Another addition that tries to justify the pretty questionable action of limiting the powers of the Supreme Court.

I allow anybody to have an opinion but if this is clearly written by a staunch supporter of the government copying and adding to what I already consider propaganda I just want to let people know that it is what it is: propaganda.

Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night

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Post by cantankerous »

coldtea wrote: post #20
dep_b wrote: post #13

This article should be flagged for containing Argentinean government propaganda.

Whereas the tons of articles of US propaganda are OK, right? Including stuff that is said "matter of factly" but are blatant BS. If you think it has "argentinian government propaganda" point to it. Not to the obvious fact (that it was written by the argentinian president). Specifics. What is propaganda in it, what is bad about it, etc. Even more appreciated would be n extra line or two, of why "argentinean government…

S/he probably could have used the word "theater" instead of propaganda. It just stinks of the kind of useless self-congratulation that politicians are prone to and distracts from any real issue at hand.

Re: Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez's tweets translation from last night

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Post by muyuu »

mr_luc wrote: post #8

I've said it since early in Correa's campaign, and I'll say it again: that guy is a really special politician. He's his country's Bismark, but he's done it all democratically. I've been living down here 9 months per year for the last 7 years and it's been an interesting time. Check out his Enlace Ciudadanos on their youtube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/PresidenciaEc and you'll see how he goes way beyond the s…

Yep, I used to think he was just another regional populist, but he really is not. He's something else entirely.
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