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Assange in 2011: "They have automated the process."

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Re: Assange in 2011: "They have automated the process."

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Post by _nb »

wavefunction wrote: post #18
junto wrote: post #14

I would now consider paying for services that offer real private email, social networking and file sharing / cloud backups, where none of those services were controlled by an US controlled entity and where the NSA couldn't snoop around in my private life. However boring my private life is, it is still mine. I wonder if anyone else would part with cold hard cash though, or is it just me? There maybe a niche there.

Paying with your credit card? That's being tracked. Your back account transactions are being indexed and collated. They're probably in all of our computers already. I've been operating a windows7 honeypot as my "main" computer for several years, generating what appears to be legit "personal" traffic. You wouldn't believe the shit I've found, and it doesn't appear to be your garden variety cyber criminals or foreign s…

Could you elaborate a bit on what you found on your honeypot?

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Post by JamisonM »

dsleno wrote: post #5

Prescient. Will these NSA spy revelations hurt US internet companies? If I am German or Russian or Brazilian... do I really want to go out of my way to feed the U.S. intelligence beast?

The average German, Russian, or Brazilian probably thinks about the importance of their relative privacy with respect to their government even less than the average US citizen does. And the average US citizen does not really care. (This NSA thing is essentially an "inside the beltway" issue, not a ballot box thing.)

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Post by Shivetya »

Lets be honest. Most people scream about privacy violations but in turn are more than willing, hell you cannot shut them up, to tell you all about themselves, their stuff, their friends, and such.

Even with legislation do you expect it not to be easy for any agency to just gather the information? At worst we will get an "Online Users Bill of Rights" which will only codify their rights to our privacy.

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Post by pajju »

+ We haven't committed any crime — then there's nothing to worry! And so spying on certain accounts is fine, if they need to investigate, track and analyze data for Intelligence.

+ I'm perfectly fine if they take my data — till its serving in the good interests of my family and people's safety.

+ It should only be in the good interests of our system and society.

+ But such credible data, should not be misused by the govt bodies or elected representatives!

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Post by robotmay »

JamisonM wrote: post #17
junto wrote: post #14

I would now consider paying for services that offer real private email, social networking and file sharing / cloud backups, where none of those services were controlled by an US controlled entity and where the NSA couldn't snoop around in my private life. However boring my private life is, it is still mine. I wonder if anyone else would part with cold hard cash though, or is it just me? There maybe a niche there.

Unfortunately such a social network would probably be so dominated by tinfoil-hat crazies that it would be unusable. The thing about social networks is of course that the people you want to socially network with need to be there. On the other hand you would be fully up to date at all times on the evils of vaccines and water fluoridation.

Nothing gets me riled up like a vaccination denier. I can't even hold a conversation with them, I just get really angry.

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Post by twistedpair »

pajju wrote: post #25

+ We haven't committed any crime — then there's nothing to worry! And so spying on certain accounts is fine, if they need to investigate, track and analyze data for Intelligence. + I'm perfectly fine if they take my data — till its serving in the good interests of my family and people's safety. + It should only be in the good interests of our system and society. + But such credible data, should not be misused by the…

And we can always trust the government, right?

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Post by smoorman1024 »

pajju wrote: post #25

+ We haven't committed any crime — then there's nothing to worry! And so spying on certain accounts is fine, if they need to investigate, track and analyze data for Intelligence. + I'm perfectly fine if they take my data — till its serving in the good interests of my family and people's safety. + It should only be in the good interests of our system and society. + But such credible data, should not be misused by the…

Who is to decide what is in the "interest" of your family and people's safety? This is subjective and cedes power to whoever is in control of the surveillance mechanism. The surveyor may have motives that are not as benevolent as you would like to think.

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Post by pajju »

twistedpair wrote: post #27
pajju wrote: post #25

+ We haven't committed any crime — then there's nothing to worry! And so spying on certain accounts is fine, if they need to investigate, track and analyze data for Intelligence. + I'm perfectly fine if they take my data — till its serving in the good interests of my family and people's safety. + It should only be in the good interests of our system and society. + But such credible data, should not be misused by the…

And we can always trust the government, right?

We have voted them up — they are elected representatives.

And Life goes by Hope and Positivity!

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