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US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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What sort of threats does the NSA give to these companies so they participated without any leaks? Just curious what the penalty would be if the NSA approached me about sucking down my user data and I refused.

They hand out these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter

You're not even supposed to reveal that you are complying (gag order). Google has been in the news recently about fighting one in court.

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers and then they're extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents and connection logs from... Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple. and it gets better Dropbox, the cloud storage and synchronization service, is described as “coming soon.”

How does this stuff work? Would someone at the NSA contact dropbox and ask them to build in a backdoor or are they just able to access whatever the fuck they want and simply do?

I don't believe they need backdoors, they probably just ask for the data and it's provided to them by those companies to comply with the current laws (or at least their interpretation of it.)

I'm pretty sure dropbox can reverse any encryption they use for the files they store. Or do they even encrypt the data?

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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post #3

The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers and then they're extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents and connection logs from... Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple. and it gets better Dropbox, the cloud storage and synchronization service, is described as “coming soon.”

How does this stuff work? Would someone at the NSA contact dropbox and ask them to build in a backdoor or are they just able to access whatever the fuck they want and simply do?

It's described for a couple of the cooperating corporations in the article.

For example, for Facebook, the analyst goes to a special webpage/site at Facebook, then they simply clicks through a "Yep, this person is a terrorist" EULA and they have full access to Facebook's database (eg. full access to user content). I bet they rejoiced when Facebook Graph opened shop.

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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post #9

What sort of threats does the NSA give to these companies so they participated without any leaks? Just curious what the penalty would be if the NSA approached me about sucking down my user data and I refused.

How does any government action work? It may start clever and/or subtle, but the fundamental threat is that of violence. You will either be compelled to pay fines, have your equipment confiscated, be thrown in jail, or some combination of the three.

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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post #3

The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers and then they're extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents and connection logs from... Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple. and it gets better Dropbox, the cloud storage and synchronization service, is described as “coming soon.”

How does this stuff work? Would someone at the NSA contact dropbox and ask them to build in a backdoor or are they just able to access whatever the fuck they want and simply do?

The spineless, reprehensible CEOs are doing it willingly.

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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Yes, this is bad. Yes, you are right to be upset. Yes you (not not really me, I'm not American and i avoid american hosting and hosting companies like amazon for exactly this reason) should change that.

But honestly, are you surprised? Are you really?

Government agencies have be building large datacenters, the EU loves data retention. There was no tin foil head required to see this.

Re: US intelligence mining data from 9 US Internet companies in broad secret program

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this stuff work? Would someone at the NSA contact dropbox and ask them to build in a backdoor or are they just able to access whatever the fuck they want and simply do?

I don't believe they need backdoors, they probably just ask for the data and it's provided to them by those companies to comply with the current laws (or at least their interpretation of it.) I'm pretty sure dropbox can reverse any encryption they use for the files they store. Or do they even encrypt the data?

I think there was an article here that described how dropbox at the very least keeps hashes of every file.
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