Haha, Robert Vinson is no longer a member of the fisa court, guess you'll have to do something real to feel like your doing part (like set up a tor node, or start actually using pgp) instead of circulating bullshit petitions
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Petition to impeach Judge Roger Vinson for authorizing NSA Verizon surveillance
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Re: Petition to impeach Judge Roger Vinson for authorizing NSA Verizon surveillance
#22Wow, you guys are in full-jerk mode today!
Currently, I am seeing 16/30 articles on the front page describing the same thing.
Re: Petition to impeach Judge Roger Vinson for authorizing NSA Verizon surveillance
#23Is the judge really so at fault at this? Serious question - do they have right to refuse approval under current legislation and can the administration just judge shop until they find a more susceptible judge?
Possibly the judge should have ruled that the law was unconstitutional and therefore void. The legislature cannot make laws that contradict the constitution.
Re: Petition to impeach Judge Roger Vinson for authorizing NSA Verizon surveillance
#24There's plenty of anger to go around, but my understanding is that it's more productive to direct your efforts at legislators who approved the bad laws and the executives who take full opportunity to abuse them -- and not the judges who have a narrow role in this whole saga. For example, if you live in California, perhaps you could call Dianne Feinstein, who when asked about this program today said, "It's called prot…
Feinstein is a long-time advocate for the national security state. She is up for reelection in 2018 in a state where she will not have a credible challenger from another party in a general election or her own party in the primaries. You can contact her if you feel better. As for me, I have a folder full of form letter responses from her office explaining why it's so important that our civil liberties and privacy be c…
100% agree here. I loath that she is has no challengers. I had heard that she was going to retire and not run in 2012. I was so looking forward to that primary and when I saw her name on it my heart fell.
Unfortunately, the best we can hope for is that she retires in 2018.
Re: Petition to impeach Judge Roger Vinson for authorizing NSA Verizon surveillance
#25A bill of impeachment has to be filed in the House of Representatives. The White House has nothing to do with this. This petition is a waste of time. If you're upset, try to convince your Congressman.
I used to write letters and call up my congressmen. I feel it doesn't have impact that it used to. It seems money talks in todays politics. Donating to EFF will probably be more effective.
Re: Petition to impeach Judge Roger Vinson for authorizing NSA Verizon surveillance
#26Until you can overcome the R and D machines and convince the 20% of people who vote stupidly to do something different other than pull the straight party lever nothing will ever change. You can also forget about civil war or something like that as they have nailed before you even think about it.
Re: Petition to impeach Judge Roger Vinson for authorizing NSA Verizon surveillance
#27So much press and attention on this today, when James Bramford surfaced even more intrusive and comprehensive `See Clearly, Act Quickly' surveillance in his 2008 book Shadow Factory. That's now five years ago.
What types of surveillance did he expose?
Israeli(then, now BOEING) NARUS(R U NSA(?)) built `glass vampire' boxes at all (6?) main trunk ATT overseas (routers?) scraping voice flagged words, names. Lengthy detail of Bush administration free reign of (all?) domestic digital surveillance. I may have this wrong, I read this some four, five years ago. Scared me then scares me still. See Amazon review, Wikipedia, etc. There's Youtube Bramford interviews, and more recently William Binney whistle blowing -quite disturbing re: NSA execs revolving door with huge growth of vast intelligence industrial complex.