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Of course. You should also be fighting it with every fiber in your body. Generations behind you gave their lives for rights like these, and the current generation seems to be giving them away because they are too busy chatting with friends on Facebook to care about it. And if you don't fight it now peacefully, you'll be fighting it in the streets in a bloody revolution, in a decade or two.

I don't see any way to fight it now. What are your suggestions? If we were to have a revolution here, even in a decade or two, we'd probably end up with something much worse than what we have now.

The only realistic way to fight untargeted spying is to protect yourself from being made a target.

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Interesting. as I recall the last President to reign in the intelligence services was Jimmy Carter.

And he was politically assassinated... All my friends' parents and my own often talk about Jimmy Carter as a man who just didn't have what it takes to be a President. Bang up job they did on him.

Well, he actually was a horrible president. He was politically assassinated by himself.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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I suggest every software developer take a course or two on cryptography and make privacy integral in the products you develop.

Cryptography doesn't help at all when your government will require you by law to provide them with a decrypted dump.

That's what they did with Verizon. Verizon could not provide you with privacy no matter how much they wanted.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Take a look at your technology with an engineer's eye. If it can be done, they probably will. If it can be done easily they probably already are. You may as well just assume this is always the case. In the current political climate, why in the world wouldn't they?

Of course. You should also be fighting it with every fiber in your body. Generations behind you gave their lives for rights like these, and the current generation seems to be giving them away because they are too busy chatting with friends on Facebook to care about it. And if you don't fight it now peacefully, you'll be fighting it in the streets in a bloody revolution, in a decade or two.

Can you still buy a pre-paid phone and remain anonymous on the phone bill in the states? Or they require ID now when purchasing such device?

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Yet another reason not to use Verizon. To be fair though, this is par for the course for the US government these days, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if other carriers are or will be targeted. Hopefully people are starting to see that our privacy laws are nothing more than cannon fodder for creative Justice Department attorneys. Freedom and privacy in the US have been nothing more than illusions for a very long time. These illusions are quickly being shattered, and that is a good thing because hopefully it will lead to (eventual) change.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Americans won't so much as lift their head away from Candycrush to bat an eyelash about it. If there were enough give-a-shit left in America, I don't think things would have gotten so bad to begin with. It's a broken, battered, unemployed, bankrupt, bitter nation being drown by a behemoth $6.3 trillion government system that nothing could possibly contain or restrain. The NSA has a budget the size of the economy of h…

What is your suggestion for "doing something?" I can't help that most Americans are wrongly educated about thinks like civil rights.

The absolute easiest thing? Outrage + phone calls / letters.

It would take a mere 1% of the US population to give a shit, and it would light D.C. up like a Christmas tree. Bury their phones and inboxes in just a few hundred thousand calls and emails per day and every member of Congress would instantly stand to attention and respond positive.

It's such a trivial % of the overall population as to be disgusting that it probably can't be mustered.

Next step down the line, Americans need to start caring about their civil liberties again. They need to start caring about their privacy again. They need to stop buying into the fake war on terror and drugs. They need to elect a President that isn't a fraud, someone who will use executive order powers - if necessary - to aggressively break the police state and domestic espionage racket. The US Federal Government is extraordinarily violent and militarized. It has to be de-militarized, and you could only do that by abolishing the military industrial complex. It'd require a President to openly talk to the US public about what was happening and why, it'd have to be a public conversation. This, realistically, can never happen until there's a collapse (leaving a vacuum of respected authority).

In a word, Americans need to take back responsibility for their own well being, and stop trusting that the government will fix or solve the destruction of the last decade (which the government caused). The key phrase is personal responsibility, it can't start anywhere else.

As an aside... there's always a lot of back and forth discussion here about Socialism vs Capitalism, the concept of big government, etc. You know why America can't emulate the Nordic model? Culturally, to its core, we have an aggressive, violent government (busy waging war 24/7 in a dozen countries). You know what happens when you have a BIG government that is aggressive and violent? It was a fantasy to ever think that aggression would always just point overseas.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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America sucks more every day. This really is a pathetic joke -- warrantless, covert surveillance of EVERY call made in the country. I predict the level of outrage won't match the scale of this crime, though.

Americans won't so much as lift their head away from Candycrush to bat an eyelash about it. If there were enough give-a-shit left in America, I don't think things would have gotten so bad to begin with. It's a broken, battered, unemployed, bankrupt, bitter nation being drown by a behemoth $6.3 trillion government system that nothing could possibly contain or restrain. The NSA has a budget the size of the economy of h…

Which nation is resisting these intrusions?

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. You should also be fighting it with every fiber in your body. Generations behind you gave their lives for rights like these, and the current generation seems to be giving them away because they are too busy chatting with friends on Facebook to care about it. And if you don't fight it now peacefully, you'll be fighting it in the streets in a bloody revolution, in a decade or two.

I don't see any way to fight it now. What are your suggestions? If we were to have a revolution here, even in a decade or two, we'd probably end up with something much worse than what we have now.

Develop new technologies that make this kind of thing impossible.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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I suggest every software developer take a course or two on cryptography and make privacy integral in the products you develop.

This is precisely the type of attitude we should all have as hackers.

It's easy to sit back and say "oh government this or corporation that sucks", we need to step up our game as builders of the software sitting on millions of devices.

This is a privacy arms race -- and right now we're losing.

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