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Is Google turning Gmail into an App platform?

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Re: Is Google turning Gmail into an App platform?

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Hmm. With Google canning Reader, it removes the only reason I had left to remain logged in, since I use a desktop email client. (Re Reader: I've moved to Inoreader, a clone which is still a little rough around the edges, but if it hangs around, it's a great replacement).

Gmail, as an email client, has always just been adequate. It isn't reliable at notifying me of incoming mails without the installation of extra software or downgrading to Chrome. And the real killer, it doesn't support multiple accounts in anything like a usable way.

I'm putting "logged in Google" in the same box as Facebook, and only using it in a separate browser.

Re: Is Google turning Gmail into an App platform?

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I'd love for another company to come out that has the clean interface and reliability of gmail, with even more security and better customer service. This is a great time for a disruptor. Any company can compete with many Google products if they have a product that is almost as good, if not better, with way better customer service.

Outlook.com it is.

Re: Is Google turning Gmail into an App platform?

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post #21

Hmm. With Google canning Reader, it removes the only reason I had left to remain logged in, since I use a desktop email client. (Re Reader: I've moved to Inoreader, a clone which is still a little rough around the edges, but if it hangs around, it's a great replacement). Gmail, as an email client, has always just been adequate. It isn't reliable at notifying me of incoming mails without the installation of extra soft…

Which desktop client do yo use ? I'd like to do the same but I know I will miss Gmail's thread formatting. I know there is a plugin for Thunderbird but it's not as great.

Re: Is Google turning Gmail into an App platform?

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Hmm. With Google canning Reader, it removes the only reason I had left to remain logged in, since I use a desktop email client. (Re Reader: I've moved to Inoreader, a clone which is still a little rough around the edges, but if it hangs around, it's a great replacement). Gmail, as an email client, has always just been adequate. It isn't reliable at notifying me of incoming mails without the installation of extra soft…

Which desktop client do yo use ? I'd like to do the same but I know I will miss Gmail's thread formatting. I know there is a plugin for Thunderbird but it's not as great.

Something old-school - Forte Agent. It can do thread formatting like a newsgroup, but it isn't perfect - e.g. it sorts the threads by the timestamp of the root of the conversation, rather than most recent message.

I particularly like its identity support.

I can't stand Thunderbird.

Re: Is Google turning Gmail into an App platform?

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GMail already is a platform; look at Mailbox.app -- it's a new UI for the GMail "platform". Building on top of the GMail platform obviates the need to actually do any of the grungy mail stuff. But as one commenter noted elsewhere in this thread, the lock-in implications are pretty sobering.

We made Inky from scratch -- without building on top of GMail, Outlook, etc. -- partly to avoid the lock-in, but primarily because it's hard to imagine fundamentally changing the email user experience without touching any of the code for the mail platform itself. The downside, of course, is the usual trade-off: by not layering on top of somebody else's already-debugged stack, we have to make our own huge raft of code work right.

The analogy to Lotus Notes should be a wake-up call to CIOs everywhere; our analysis of the enterprise email/messaging space makes it clear that the big companies still using Lotus Notes are doing so primarily because they have too much investment in the Notes ecosystem ("intranet web sites" built on top of Notes, etc.) to switch. They come up with an internal estimate of the cost to convert all the stuff they've built on the Lotus platform over to something else and realize that figure exceeds the likely N-year savings from switching. So, conversion project not approved by CFO. Next!

Re: Is Google turning Gmail into an App platform?

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GMail already is a platform; look at Mailbox.app -- it's a new UI for the GMail "platform". Building on top of the GMail platform obviates the need to actually do any of the grungy mail stuff. But as one commenter noted elsewhere in this thread, the lock-in implications are pretty sobering. We made Inky from scratch -- without building on top of GMail, Outlook, etc. -- partly to avoid the lock-in, but primarily becau…

Good point about the link to Lotus Notes. However, infrastructure decisions are usually made for short term reasons, and that's often an OK trade-off.

Inky looks awesome, by the way.

Re: Is Google turning Gmail into an App platform?

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post #26

GMail already is a platform; look at Mailbox.app -- it's a new UI for the GMail "platform". Building on top of the GMail platform obviates the need to actually do any of the grungy mail stuff. But as one commenter noted elsewhere in this thread, the lock-in implications are pretty sobering. We made Inky from scratch -- without building on top of GMail, Outlook, etc. -- partly to avoid the lock-in, but primarily becau…

Good point about the link to Lotus Notes. However, infrastructure decisions are usually made for short term reasons, and that's often an OK trade-off. Inky looks awesome, by the way.

Thanks. We're still beta-ish, but getting there. :)

Re: Is Google turning Gmail into an App platform?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. pg has also written about "using your email as a todo list" (in Startup Ideas We'd Like to Fund) to partially address the problem of email being more than just a dumb box for all incoming information. Email as it exists today is very obviously broken, and very few players are in a position to change it. (Although there must be some startups with the frighteningly ambitious plan to replace email as we know it…

Email is only broken from the authentification point of view. The idea of using email for every need is broken.

Agreed. Do we really want Gmail to be a great operating system lacking only a decent mail client? What is this, emacs 2.0?

And so what if people are using it differently then how it was originally intended? Give me a well designed tool, and I'll use it in 930294 ways it wasn't indented to be. That doesn't mean I'm going to like the new super-multi-purpose swiss army knife version of that tool.... Keep it simple stoopid, get off my lawn, not in my back yard, go unix, etc etc

Re: Is Google turning Gmail into an App platform?

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post #5
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. pg has also written about "using your email as a todo list" (in Startup Ideas We'd Like to Fund) to partially address the problem of email being more than just a dumb box for all incoming information. Email as it exists today is very obviously broken, and very few players are in a position to change it. (Although there must be some startups with the frighteningly ambitious plan to replace email as we know it…

Email is only broken from the authentification point of view. The idea of using email for every need is broken.

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Re: Is Google turning Gmail into an App platform?

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I am skeptical. There are apps out there extending Gmail's possibilities, already. Look at Streak ( http://streak.com ), look at Right Inbox ( http://rightinbox.com ). They are based on Chrome extensions. People use them if they need. The real trouble is Gmail becoming a bulky web app in time. Sending money, now actions in the Inbox. Lots of features, majority will not use. It is unclear, if Gmail will remain an simp…

This is a great point. If you aren't careful, adding extensions on top of gmail can really kill performance because of ballooning memory.

We (streak.com) spend a ton of time optimizing performance and memory usage. Not all extensions do this though.

If you're interested, there were 2 great talks at this years Google IO on how some gmail engineers spent a year reducing memory usage (and thus increasing performance) by a factor of almost 4x for power users.

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