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How Ray Kurzweil Plans To Revolutionize Search At Google

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Re: How Ray Kurzweil Plans To Revolutionize Search At Google

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use the verbatim mode in the search results. In this way Google returns results with all your terms.

Is there a way to make this the default, so I don't have to click, search tools -> all results -> verbatim? Edit: Thanks, comex. Made google.com become: http://www.google.com/webhp?tbs=li:1

If you use your browser to initiate searches (and aren't using Safari), it's just a matter of changing the search URL to add &tbs=li:1.

Re: How Ray Kurzweil Plans To Revolutionize Search At Google

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post #17

Douglas Hofstadter once said of Ray Kurzweil and his grand ideas: "It's an intimate mixture of rubbish and good ideas, and it's very hard to disentangle the two, because these are smart people; they're not stupid." I think Google (and Larry Page) is betting that they will be able to separate out this mixture.

The irony is that you could say the exact same thing about Douglas Hofstadter himself.

He may have noticed this in himself first, then applied it to others. In fact, he may consider it a limitation of genius and part of the current human condition.

Re: How Ray Kurzweil Plans To Revolutionize Search At Google

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12:43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof: 12:44 But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.

12:45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.

12:46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.

12:47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.

12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

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Re: How Ray Kurzweil Plans To Revolutionize Search At Google

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post #11

All grand plans indeed ... but a higher priority should be making search even work at all. Google search returns approximate results, related results, results with your words split (or joined) and other nonsense to drive ad views. Even using the so-called "power tools" like allinsite: and the (barely functional) quotation marks, you still get very shoddy results. Anyone who ever searches for very specific groups of t…

It is just me or is it a recent change ? I find Google Search to be incredibly frustrating to use because it chooses to ignore search terms even when pages exist with those terms. Google better be really careful because crippling the experience in order to sell more advertising reminds me why I switched away from Altavista.

There are very few things more frustrating then doing a search, opening the resulting page, then search for one of your search terms and find none.

Re: How Ray Kurzweil Plans To Revolutionize Search At Google

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Is it just me, or does Ray Kurzweil seem to be getting younger? I remember seeing a speech of his a few years ago, he had a nervous tick where he was blinking his eyes constantly. He also looked a lot older. Now, he doesn't have that tick, seems to have more hair, etc.

I know he takes like 100 pills every day

Re: How Ray Kurzweil Plans To Revolutionize Search At Google

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post #20
post #11

All grand plans indeed ... but a higher priority should be making search even work at all. Google search returns approximate results, related results, results with your words split (or joined) and other nonsense to drive ad views. Even using the so-called "power tools" like allinsite: and the (barely functional) quotation marks, you still get very shoddy results. Anyone who ever searches for very specific groups of t…

As annoying as the approximation can be, I'd like a citation for "to drive ad views". It seems much more likely that it was added for the obvious reason - to improve search results, on average, for most people, because relevant results don't always contain the exact search term you put in. In my case, as many times as it's burned me, there have also been a few where I remember it presenting exactly the results I want…

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Re: How Ray Kurzweil Plans To Revolutionize Search At Google

#28
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is that you could say the exact same thing about Douglas Hofstadter himself.

He may have noticed this in himself first, then applied it to others. In fact, he may consider it a limitation of genius and part of the current human condition.

This is an interesting point.

One thing about good ideas - is not so much the novelty, but more-so ideas that are far enough out there that they are semi-novel, but based on an extrapolation of the current state of things such that a path to getting the idea implementable is possible.

Sometimes, this means that you're able to foresee the trajectory of industries and technology that others miss or can't.

However - its also important to have the resources avaialble to be able to implement/execute/foster that which is needed to make those ideas become reality.

In this case, he has immense resources which can make the ratio between rubbish and great ideas shift significantly.

Its easy to simply be a daydreamer - even if a greatly informed day dreamer - when you have no resources.

Re: How Ray Kurzweil Plans To Revolutionize Search At Google

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post #20
post #11

All grand plans indeed ... but a higher priority should be making search even work at all. Google search returns approximate results, related results, results with your words split (or joined) and other nonsense to drive ad views. Even using the so-called "power tools" like allinsite: and the (barely functional) quotation marks, you still get very shoddy results. Anyone who ever searches for very specific groups of t…

As annoying as the approximation can be, I'd like a citation for "to drive ad views". It seems much more likely that it was added for the obvious reason - to improve search results, on average, for most people, because relevant results don't always contain the exact search term you put in. In my case, as many times as it's burned me, there have also been a few where I remember it presenting exactly the results I want…

Whatever the reason. It has changed recently and is annoying.

Search for "vertx play framework" and the last two search results don't have the term vertx despite pages and pages of results with the term. I don't understand how dropping search terms can make the results more relevant.

Also you can't set the default search to verbatim. You can only hack the query parameters in specific browsers.

Re: How Ray Kurzweil Plans To Revolutionize Search At Google

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post #11

All grand plans indeed ... but a higher priority should be making search even work at all. Google search returns approximate results, related results, results with your words split (or joined) and other nonsense to drive ad views. Even using the so-called "power tools" like allinsite: and the (barely functional) quotation marks, you still get very shoddy results. Anyone who ever searches for very specific groups of t…

It is just me or is it a recent change ? I find Google Search to be incredibly frustrating to use because it chooses to ignore search terms even when pages exist with those terms. Google better be really careful because crippling the experience in order to sell more advertising reminds me why I switched away from Altavista.

Google search for me (and I've been using it a very long time, having been an Internet user since the late 1980s and around when Google first appeared) has generally gotten worse over time, not better. I don't think the changes are to sell more advertising, though, I think they are a combination of:

1) The web is just much bigger and noisier than it ever was. There are so many SEO-bait sites out there now, it is a wonder search still works at all. I can't really fault Google for this part.

2) Changes Google made to make search more accessible to the mainstream user. Google search now tries way too hard to be "smart" about what the user meant to ask for instead of what he or she actually asked for and this can be a huge negative if the person is looking up precise information and knows how to use a search engine.

They somewhat recently added a "Verbatim" option to search that can help you avoid some of this too-smartness, but even with that enabled Google is still inferior to what it used to be when I'm looking for very targeted technical information that I am sure exists out there.

Sadly, this sort of thing is a trend impacting not just Google. The success of Apple has created a culture of creating things for the mainstream consumer user which often comes at the expense of the power user. I get why this is done and ultimately it is the right call for any business that could potentially serve the mainstream, but I do wish more companies would leave in the highly technical expert options as settings for those who are comfortable using them. I feel that in recent times most software in general has swung way too far on the pendulum from being too hard for normal people to use to being totally gimped for experts and feeling like a toy more than a tool and I wish attempts to try to support both sets of users became a "thing" instead of constantly hearing the mantra that "options or settings are bad, no options or settings for you"!

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