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Opera claims ex-employee took trade secrets to Mozilla, sues him for $3.4M

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Re: Opera claims ex-employee took trade secrets to Mozilla, sues him for $3.4M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They seem linked to me. Since cases like this are much harder to pull off under European law unless you can show actual copy-pasted code, this (like the WebKit move) looks like the symptoms of clueless non-technical management taking over and destroying the company by desperately trying to 'save it.'

There is nothing in the article that says anything about anything related to Google Chrome.

What does that have to do with anything? They already admitted the switch to Chrome in past announcements.

Re: Opera claims ex-employee took trade secrets to Mozilla, sues him for $3.4M

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They seem linked to me. Since cases like this are much harder to pull off under European law unless you can show actual copy-pasted code, this (like the WebKit move) looks like the symptoms of clueless non-technical management taking over and destroying the company by desperately trying to 'save it.'

There is nothing in the article that says anything about anything related to Google Chrome.

I'm trying to say that they are linked through an underlying cause. Pornel says it much better than me in his comment though.

Jon's closing email is also quite telling:

    Dear All,

    It is with a heavy heart that I send this message. Next week will be my last 
    at Opera. It has become clear that The Board, Management and I do not share 
    the same values and we do not have the same opinions on how to keep evolving 
    Opera. As a result I have come to an agreement with the Board to end my time 
    at Opera. I feel the Board and Management is more quarterly focused than me. 
    I have always worked to build the company for the future. I believe the 
    foundation we have is very solid to build further upon.
    
    I do believe strongly in Opera as a company, and in all of you working here. 
    Our products actually make a difference for a lot of people in the world, and 
    I wish you all the best of luck moving forward. I will be following the 
    company closely and rooting for you all.

    Yours truly, Jon.

Re: Opera claims ex-employee took trade secrets to Mozilla, sues him for $3.4M

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Their lawsuit claims that "Opera Software ASA is an innovative company which has developed software and technology which have proved to be successful internationally". The article talks about features which aren't really IP. Perhaps their trade-secrets relate to coding and construction methods that make their product superior, but these really can't be protected unless they're so esoteric that no one would logically…

Trond Werner Hansen is not a non-profit. In fact, he's not even a corporation.

As a side note, 80% of features in Mozilla were first done in Opera. I even remember a Firebird (as it was called back in the day, before version 1.0) fan or zealot badmouthing Opera and its tabs as being a ridiculous and unnecessary feature. After just four months, that feature was copied. It seems that crowd has not changed even a little.

The only good thing in Mozilla is the OSS license. The only reason they have market share is the OSS license.

Re: Opera claims ex-employee took trade secrets to Mozilla, sues him for $3.4M

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention, Mozilla corporation is not a non-profit :)

Technically true, but they are 100% owned by a non-profit. (Mozilla Foundation owns Mozilla Corporation)

Consider even the NFL is non profit, non profit hardly means anything.

Re: Opera claims ex-employee took trade secrets to Mozilla, sues him for $3.4M

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing in the article that says anything about anything related to Google Chrome.

I'm trying to say that they are linked through an underlying cause. Pornel says it much better than me in his comment though. Jon's closing email is also quite telling: Dear All, It is with a heavy heart that I send this message. Next week will be my last at Opera. It has become clear that The Board, Management and I do not share the same values and we do not have the same opinions on how to keep evolving Opera. As a…

In that email he was probably referring to the direction the board wanted to take Opera in. There has been consistent speculation that Opera's board wanted to make Opera better suited for sale, and was looking forward to getting acquired by someone with deeper pockets. JvT of course, wanted to stay independent and continue to innovate.

Related: http://techie-buzz.com/opera/opera-tetzchner-reacts.html

Re: Opera claims ex-employee took trade secrets to Mozilla, sues him for $3.4M

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post #24
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically true, but they are 100% owned by a non-profit. (Mozilla Foundation owns Mozilla Corporation)

Consider even the NFL is non profit, non profit hardly means anything.

The NFL leaque headquarters organization is a non-profit.

The actual teams, on the other hand, are all profit-seeking entities and pay taxes accordingly.

Re: Opera claims ex-employee took trade secrets to Mozilla, sues him for $3.4M

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post #23
post #13

Their lawsuit claims that "Opera Software ASA is an innovative company which has developed software and technology which have proved to be successful internationally". The article talks about features which aren't really IP. Perhaps their trade-secrets relate to coding and construction methods that make their product superior, but these really can't be protected unless they're so esoteric that no one would logically…

Trond Werner Hansen is not a non-profit. In fact, he's not even a corporation. As a side note, 80% of features in Mozilla were first done in Opera. I even remember a Firebird (as it was called back in the day, before version 1.0) fan or zealot badmouthing Opera and its tabs as being a ridiculous and unnecessary feature. After just four months, that feature was copied. It seems that crowd has not changed even a little…

I think 90+% of the Firefox users don't even know what open source is.

Re: Opera claims ex-employee took trade secrets to Mozilla, sues him for $3.4M

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They seem linked to me. Since cases like this are much harder to pull off under European law unless you can show actual copy-pasted code, this (like the WebKit move) looks like the symptoms of clueless non-technical management taking over and destroying the company by desperately trying to 'save it.'

There is nothing in the article that says anything about anything related to Google Chrome.

They don't have to. The parent postulated that they are linked because they are both the result of non-technical management. Stating that this is not mentioned in the article is meaningless as a rebuttal.

Re: Opera claims ex-employee took trade secrets to Mozilla, sues him for $3.4M

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post #23
post #13

Their lawsuit claims that "Opera Software ASA is an innovative company which has developed software and technology which have proved to be successful internationally". The article talks about features which aren't really IP. Perhaps their trade-secrets relate to coding and construction methods that make their product superior, but these really can't be protected unless they're so esoteric that no one would logically…

Trond Werner Hansen is not a non-profit. In fact, he's not even a corporation. As a side note, 80% of features in Mozilla were first done in Opera. I even remember a Firebird (as it was called back in the day, before version 1.0) fan or zealot badmouthing Opera and its tabs as being a ridiculous and unnecessary feature. After just four months, that feature was copied. It seems that crowd has not changed even a little…

I don't think the event you describe was possible, because Mozilla had tabs before Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox even existed. In any case, Opera copied the tabs from other browsers too, so I'm not sure what's your point with that story.

By the way, it wasn't just about the OSS license. Back in the day Opera had a big honking ad right in the main window. They only released an ad-free version in 2005, when Firefox already had 16 times the share of Opera.

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