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Examining the Thiel Fellowship: Where are they now?

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Re: Examining the Thiel Fellowship: Where are they now?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, Stanford does essentially pay students to go. Each undergraduate student costs Stanford about twice as much as they pay in tuition. This is typically the case at elite colleges, which is why they spend so much time seeking donations from alumni. (Also, the vast majority of students don't pay full tuition anyway because of the extensive financial aid systems at these schools.) http://talk.collegeconfidential…

That can't be right. First, your Delta study is woefully lacking in school - specific information. Second, the college confidential link's methodology seems to be missing a lot to me, particularly in the way of revenue. For example, for many universities (eg UPenn) the parking department is actually a huge revenue driver that must be taken into account to calculate overall university P&L, and that kind of thing is co…

I'm not sure why you find this so a priori implausible.

You're right that the CC link misses revenue sources -- but isn't that the point? Stanford seems to be using money from non-student revenue sources to subsidize a majority of per-student expenses. (That is, students are getting "paid.")

Or are you assuming that all that other revenue still comes from students (e.g. parking), or directly from an unchanging endowment? Stanford raises hundreds of millions of dollars in donations from people who aren't students every year, more than enough to cover that $244.4m shortfall directly. Direct income from students is only a small part of the overall university budget: http://facts.stanford.edu/administration/finances

Anyway, I'm only making a factual spending claim here. I make no claim about the effectiveness of the spending in educating students -- that's a separate issue.

Re: Examining the Thiel Fellowship: Where are they now?

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And in January, the unemployment rate for college grads was 3.7 percent, as opposed to 8.1 percent for those with only high school diplomas. Those are average numbers across the board, and perhaps the opportunities that come from a high-profile program like the Thiel Fellowship outweigh those for the average college student. But at least for now, the data shows college is the more lucrative path. ?? Correlation does…

In general, you're right. But I think you'd be hard-pressed to defend the claim that there is no causative relationship whatsoever flowing from college education to employment. I don't think it's terribly controversial to claim that employers pretty universally view more education as a positive factor on job applications, all other things held equal. edit: to elaborate further, I think you might be bringing up the wr…

What I'm saying is that it's not obvious that if the student who was admitted to Harvard decided not to go, he'd make less than the student who was admitted and did go.

Re: Examining the Thiel Fellowship: Where are they now?

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, Stanford does essentially pay students to go. Each undergraduate student costs Stanford about twice as much as they pay in tuition. This is typically the case at elite colleges, which is why they spend so much time seeking donations from alumni. (Also, the vast majority of students don't pay full tuition anyway because of the extensive financial aid systems at these schools.) http://talk.collegeconfidential…

That can't be right. First, your Delta study is woefully lacking in school - specific information. Second, the college confidential link's methodology seems to be missing a lot to me, particularly in the way of revenue. For example, for many universities (eg UPenn) the parking department is actually a huge revenue driver that must be taken into account to calculate overall university P&L, and that kind of thing is co…

Also, 6% (a conservative return) on a $12.6BB endowment is $720 million annually.
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