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Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"

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Re: Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"

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Post by tptacek »

ahallock wrote: post #20
tptacek wrote: post #10

Mike Rogers is making it very hard to defend CISPA by saying things like this, but I'll point out that what Mike Rogers thinks about CISPA opponents is probably the least important thing to know about the bill. Something you might want to know is that "Fight For The Future" feels comfortable riling you up without telling you the full story about the bill. CISPA, according to FFTF, "lets the government spy on you with…

I'm not familiar with the bill, but based on your description, why does there need to be a bill to share information about attacks with law enforcement and security providers? Why couldn't this happen already? If Yahoo! were sharing data with a security agency about an attack, this would seem pretty reasonable.

Why not just read the bill?

Re: Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"

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Post by homosaur »

tptacek wrote: post #10

Mike Rogers is making it very hard to defend CISPA by saying things like this, but I'll point out that what Mike Rogers thinks about CISPA opponents is probably the least important thing to know about the bill. Something you might want to know is that "Fight For The Future" feels comfortable riling you up without telling you the full story about the bill. CISPA, according to FFTF, "lets the government spy on you with…

What you say is misleading. You say "allow them to share," when you should say "immunity from prosecution related to damages resulting from them sharing."

Basically, it's open season on surveillance because now companies aren't liable if requests are followed in "good faith," which essentially means "we did whatever the government wanted."

Re: Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"

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Post by tptacek »

homosaur wrote: post #22
tptacek wrote: post #10

Mike Rogers is making it very hard to defend CISPA by saying things like this, but I'll point out that what Mike Rogers thinks about CISPA opponents is probably the least important thing to know about the bill. Something you might want to know is that "Fight For The Future" feels comfortable riling you up without telling you the full story about the bill. CISPA, according to FFTF, "lets the government spy on you with…

What you say is misleading. You say "allow them to share," when you should say "immunity from prosecution related to damages resulting from them sharing." Basically, it's open season on surveillance because now companies aren't liable if requests are followed in "good faith," which essentially means "we did whatever the government wanted."

I'm not sure how anything you said contradicts anything I said. Service providers are, by the way, not immunized from civil suits if they share information not incident to an actual attack.

Re: Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"

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Post by Jormundir »

tptacek wrote: post #10

Mike Rogers is making it very hard to defend CISPA by saying things like this, but I'll point out that what Mike Rogers thinks about CISPA opponents is probably the least important thing to know about the bill. Something you might want to know is that "Fight For The Future" feels comfortable riling you up without telling you the full story about the bill. CISPA, according to FFTF, "lets the government spy on you with…

So getting an internet connection from a company that has opted in means I have no protection against searches and seizures (almost arbitrarily based on an individual's web habbits).

So what if it's written specifically? People often don't have much of a choice when it comes to their ISPs, and wouldn't be able to just choose another one that doesn't opt in. In the modern world, where people use the internet for every facet of their life, this essentially means law enforcement gets to know every detail about you, without the need for any reasonable suspicion.

I really don't understand how this isn't a violation of the 4th Amendment. Our rights as citizens and as people are being removed by bills like this, and by law enforcement and large service platform based businesses redefining what personal information is ours to control and own.

Re: Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"

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Post by guelo »

tptacek wrote: post #10

Mike Rogers is making it very hard to defend CISPA by saying things like this, but I'll point out that what Mike Rogers thinks about CISPA opponents is probably the least important thing to know about the bill. Something you might want to know is that "Fight For The Future" feels comfortable riling you up without telling you the full story about the bill. CISPA, according to FFTF, "lets the government spy on you with…

That is a dishonest attack against a short marketing website. Your comment defends CISPA without telling the full story of the bill, just like this website did. You used a short description of what you think are relevant points that support your case, just like this website. Except that the website includes links to analysis by EFF, ACLU, Sunshine Foundation and others to support their arguments.

Re: Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"

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Post by bcoates »

tptacek wrote: post #10

Mike Rogers is making it very hard to defend CISPA by saying things like this, but I'll point out that what Mike Rogers thinks about CISPA opponents is probably the least important thing to know about the bill. Something you might want to know is that "Fight For The Future" feels comfortable riling you up without telling you the full story about the bill. CISPA, according to FFTF, "lets the government spy on you with…

By "opt-in", surely you mean I'll be asked before data hosted in my accounts or pertaining to me is shared? If that's the case then I don't see anything wrong with CISPA.

Re: Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"

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Post by tptacek »

guelo wrote: post #25
tptacek wrote: post #10

Mike Rogers is making it very hard to defend CISPA by saying things like this, but I'll point out that what Mike Rogers thinks about CISPA opponents is probably the least important thing to know about the bill. Something you might want to know is that "Fight For The Future" feels comfortable riling you up without telling you the full story about the bill. CISPA, according to FFTF, "lets the government spy on you with…

That is a dishonest attack against a short marketing website. Your comment defends CISPA without telling the full story of the bill, just like this website did. You used a short description of what you think are relevant points that support your case, just like this website. Except that the website includes links to analysis by EFF, ACLU, Sunshine Foundation and others to support their arguments.

Maybe FFTF can tell us how many people hit their signup sheet, versus the number of people who click through to the background information.

Maybe you could point out the call to action I must have missed on this site, urging readers to learn more about the bill before signing up with FFTF.

Re: Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"

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Post by ryanmolden »

ryandvm wrote: post #9
ryanmolden wrote: post #7

Anytime someone's argument is the moral equivalent of 'my opponents are doodie-heads' I pretty much start ignoring them. It is a shame that an elected official, ostensibly 'leading' our country, is making such idiotic arguments and isn't more embarrassed about doing so.

The problem with ignoring politicians is that it just encourages them...

Yes, when I said ignore I meant from an information gathering perspective. If I care about an issue enough I will actively donate to organizations representing my interests. It is really all I can do when is from an area I have no vote in.

Re: Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"

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Post by codygman »

tptacek wrote: post #10

Mike Rogers is making it very hard to defend CISPA by saying things like this, but I'll point out that what Mike Rogers thinks about CISPA opponents is probably the least important thing to know about the bill. Something you might want to know is that "Fight For The Future" feels comfortable riling you up without telling you the full story about the bill. CISPA, according to FFTF, "lets the government spy on you with…

Can't said companies already opt-in to share information about "ongoing attacks"?

Re: Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"

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Post by tptacek »

codygman wrote: post #29
tptacek wrote: post #10

Mike Rogers is making it very hard to defend CISPA by saying things like this, but I'll point out that what Mike Rogers thinks about CISPA opponents is probably the least important thing to know about the bill. Something you might want to know is that "Fight For The Future" feels comfortable riling you up without telling you the full story about the bill. CISPA, according to FFTF, "lets the government spy on you with…

Can't said companies already opt-in to share information about "ongoing attacks"?

No. It is much more complicated than that.
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