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Re: Twitter Music will integrate Spotify, Rdio, iTunes, Soundcloud, Vevo and Youtube

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Post by kmfrk »

hkmurakami wrote: post #7

>Twitter Music will integrate Spotify, Rdio, iTunes, Soundcloud, Vevo and Youtube It will then proceed to eliminate integration one by one as Twitter Music proper gains traction and mindshare. Unfortunately this is going to be the consensus attitude towards anything Twitter & 3rd party. We just have to look at things with suspicion and cynicism. Call it mental-self-defense if you will. (Come to think of it, "partner…

I, too, am reminded of a frog being asked by the scorpion to help it across the river, when it comes to companies like Twitter.

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Post by kmfrk »

As a European who doesn't have a registered user for a lot of services, I would much prefer that we decided on some ID for a song or album, so we could refer to that one link (music://, etc.), and we would get a link for - or in this case a list - of the music as provided by services that

* I actually use (have a user for/access to, etc.),

* offer the music in my region

A modern problem that really annoys me these days, is that people are increasingly sharing music behind registration wall or region restrictions.

Just look at Hulu, Netflix, Spotify - the list goes on. In a time where we're supposed to share and break barriers, a lot of people are growing increasingly unaware of the people who don't have access to many of the services that purport provide people with this media.

I have a bad feeling that this could have the exact opposite effect and result in a lot of "broken links" for people with no access. I see this a lot on Tumblr right now.

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Post by notatoad »

hkmurakami wrote: post #7

>Twitter Music will integrate Spotify, Rdio, iTunes, Soundcloud, Vevo and Youtube It will then proceed to eliminate integration one by one as Twitter Music proper gains traction and mindshare. Unfortunately this is going to be the consensus attitude towards anything Twitter & 3rd party. We just have to look at things with suspicion and cynicism. Call it mental-self-defense if you will. (Come to think of it, "partner…

Would that be a bad thing? i assume that the point of twitter music is that somebody you follow shares a song, and twitter music lets you listen to that song no matter which service it is on. If twitter wants to pay for licenses so i can listen to the music my friends are sharing, what do i care if they drop support for RDIO?

Re: Twitter Music will integrate Spotify, Rdio, iTunes, Soundcloud, Vevo and Youtube

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Post by josh2600 »

hkmurakami wrote: post #20
josh2600 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would normally agree with you, but I think you're failing to make a distinction here. We, the peasants, get a different level of access to Twitter than say Google or iTunes might. There's no chance that Twitter can afford to cut off access to iTunes as it scales because iTunes is much bigger than Twitter. Whereas Twitter can afford to bully the small companies of the world, they cannot bully Apple or Google. In sho…

Agreed with you overall. Just one caveat. >In short, using Twitter API's is suicide. Partnering with Twitter could still foster some potential profit. If you're smaller than Twitter, be somewhat wary of what might happen to said partnership in the future. Make sure you don't become obsolete in Twitter's eyes.

Great point. I'd argue that a partnership with Twitter is amongst two equal (or near equal) parties OR one where Twitter is the smaller player. A non-partnership relationship is all relationships with Twitter that are between Twitter and a smaller organization.

It's completely asinine to have two separate policies for small kids and big kids, yet that's what we see at Twitter. Is this an example of the 80/20 rule or something more sinister? I'm not sure.

One thing's for certain: I hate Twitter's monetization strategy not because it doesn't work but because I find it distasteful.

Re: Twitter Music will integrate Spotify, Rdio, iTunes, Soundcloud, Vevo and Youtube

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Post by hkmurakami »

notatoad wrote: post #24
hkmurakami wrote: post #7

>Twitter Music will integrate Spotify, Rdio, iTunes, Soundcloud, Vevo and Youtube It will then proceed to eliminate integration one by one as Twitter Music proper gains traction and mindshare. Unfortunately this is going to be the consensus attitude towards anything Twitter & 3rd party. We just have to look at things with suspicion and cynicism. Call it mental-self-defense if you will. (Come to think of it, "partner…

Would that be a bad thing? i assume that the point of twitter music is that somebody you follow shares a song, and twitter music lets you listen to that song no matter which service it is on. If twitter wants to pay for licenses so i can listen to the music my friends are sharing, what do i care if they drop support for RDIO?

Using the analogy of the current state of Twitter clients, I'd suggest that the possibility of Twitter taking away the option to easily use/link-to services that offer a better user experience is plausible, saying that they no longer add "unique value" to the Twitter platform.

edit: The warning signal should probably be louder for the partner providers though.

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Post by fady »

onedev wrote: post #13
Splendor wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Spotify as my primary music listening service and their music discovery is terrible. I'll gladly listen to Spotify through Twitter if it means better charts of new music, popular music, etc.

Use Spotify for music library management and access across all platforms. Use Pandora for music discovery. Problem solved!

+1 for pandora. +2 for waffles.fm and what.cd ;)

Re: Twitter Music will integrate Spotify, Rdio, iTunes, Soundcloud, Vevo and Youtube

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Post by jfb »

jechen wrote: post #9

Do we really need another music app? How many of us are (or planning to) use Twitter for music discovery? For the average consumer, Spotify has just about everything for anyone. For the avid listener, there are hundreds of quality music blogs dedicated every niche out there. It seems like Twitter decided they wanted a slice of the pie- I fail to see how this could possibly fit into my use case for Twitter (if it's ev…

It will fail as all other attempts at algorithmic music discovery have failed. Curation (via blogs, &c.) is still by far a better experience.

Re: Twitter Music will integrate Spotify, Rdio, iTunes, Soundcloud, Vevo and Youtube

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Post by hkmurakami »

josh2600 wrote: post #25
hkmurakami wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed with you overall. Just one caveat. >In short, using Twitter API's is suicide. Partnering with Twitter could still foster some potential profit. If you're smaller than Twitter, be somewhat wary of what might happen to said partnership in the future. Make sure you don't become obsolete in Twitter's eyes.

Great point. I'd argue that a partnership with Twitter is amongst two equal (or near equal) parties OR one where Twitter is the smaller player. A non-partnership relationship is all relationships with Twitter that are between Twitter and a smaller organization. It's completely asinine to have two separate policies for small kids and big kids, yet that's what we see at Twitter. Is this an example of the 80/20 rule or…

>A non-partnership relationship is all relationships with Twitter that are between Twitter and a smaller organization.

Twitter is valued somewhere in the ballpark of $5BB, so every single streaming music provider (as opposed to the download/purchase platforms of Amazon/Apple/Google) is small fish compared to Twitter.

Re: Twitter Music will integrate Spotify, Rdio, iTunes, Soundcloud, Vevo and Youtube

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Post by kristopolous »

jechen wrote: post #9

Do we really need another music app? How many of us are (or planning to) use Twitter for music discovery? For the average consumer, Spotify has just about everything for anyone. For the avid listener, there are hundreds of quality music blogs dedicated every niche out there. It seems like Twitter decided they wanted a slice of the pie- I fail to see how this could possibly fit into my use case for Twitter (if it's ev…

There is a group of highly dissatisfied users (like me) who have found that current solutions are really inadequate. You'll have to trust me on this.

Using suggestion models based on curated reputable crowdsourcing as opposed to simply volume of popularity is a way around this.

Here's a contrived example; say I'm looking for something that goes well with say, Lonnie Smiths' 1980 "In the Park" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBPSf-VoDZk) and say, Jon Lucien's Listen Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bm7c0z_0ws) and let's toss Fela Anikulapo Kutis' Witchcraft in there (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31cGWpe8_L0).

There is no software in the world that can curate music like that based on predictive modeling that I've seen.

I've been trying to make one for years that can span decades, nations, and genres like that.

I've found that if I aggregate a selective circle of people than I can get there. But that's the only way I've found so far.

Ok, USE CASE 2.

What's Justin Bieber or Keith Richards currently listening to? What about a talent scout at BMI? What if you could follow and tap into those people's personal playlists like twitter allows you to tap into what's on their plates for dinner and other personal things?

And I mean right now. Shania Twain hits play and it sends that to the server. Thousands of users world-wide tapping into her personal radio station immediately get a non-time-shifted instant feedback.

I think it would be compelling and addictive.

It's the classic celeb allure that's been twitter's mainstream pot of gold.

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