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Foursquare: An Ads Business With a Dying Product Hook

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Re: Foursquare: An Ads Business With a Dying Product Hook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, Yelp has been completely ruined by what amounts to YouTube comments. "The server was totally rude. She put lemon in my diet coke when I asked TWICE not to do that. It was the worst experience of my life." Foursquare seems to have less batshit insane people on it. They actually do helpful things like post the wireless password.

whoever captures more of the market gets those insane people too.

I agree in principle, but I also think something about the check-in mechanics improve the quality.

Re: Foursquare: An Ads Business With a Dying Product Hook

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I feel like I don't really know enough about this to speculate. I think both articles (this one and the one it links to which argues the opposite) both have some good points. But I get the impression that, like me, neither author really knows this space well enough to draw good conclusions.

I like the data point (from the baptiste piece) that offline commerce is still 95% of spending, thus it is a 19x larger market than e-commerce. I think the point in the shah piece about "I didn't even want a pastry" is also good. But to me it doesn't really argue that this is a failure. To me, it argues that this is a first step which, like all first steps, will need to be followed up with refinement of their monetization strategy.

I have a certificate in GIS. I live without a car and have some other issues. I have been thinking here lately about my frustrations with using the internet to try to find stuff in the real world. In many ways, the internet has been a godsend in that regard. But in other ways it has been pretty crazymaking. I asked a bit about this elsewhere recently. It didn't really result in some huge epiphany that I am just doing it wrong. It resulted in me concluding that this intersection of the web and the real world is just not that well done yet.

So I think Four Square is breaking new ground. Yes, that's always risky. But I am guessing they understand this space better than the hn equivalent of a few "armchair politicians" looking on from the outside. (My dad had a brilliant solution for every social ill ever. And was happy to share his wisdom while watching game shows and eating peanuts and doing not a damn thing about any of them. So, erm, I learned long ago that "talk is cheap.")

Re: Foursquare: An Ads Business With a Dying Product Hook

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The pastry example is really important. You can't just serve ads to people, they have to be targeted toward the users' interests. Perhaps they're based on your check-in history, but this won't convert well to sporadic users. I don't know how the majority of Foursquare users use the service, but my friends and I pretty much only use it to check-in - at a place that we had pre-determined. There is no discovery or oppor…

Admittedly I don't check in often. I use Path / Facebook for this now.

Trey Titone suggested in the comments on the post that if Foursquare could do frictionless sharing with the app running in the background, maybe they could get more checkin data. But I think the battery constraints / privacy concerns are too high, at least in the next 18-24 months, for people to opt in for this without getting much product value.

Battery life will get better, apps will be more battery-efficient, and privacy concerns tend to fade away. But frictionless checkins don't seem highly compelling to me from the user point-of-view for people to make the necessary sacrifices that adoption would demand.

Re: Foursquare: An Ads Business With a Dying Product Hook

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I largely agree with the OP. This reminds me of Loopt. If I were Foursquare, I would use the metadata (reviews, checkins, etc) to build a Yellow Pages site that's powered by 4sq users gestures. But I'd leave monitization out of the consumer app entirely, and just focus on making it great and popular. Internet yellow pages is crazy boring, stupidly profitable, and waiting for disruption. Google Places and Yelp are cur…

"Internet yellow pages is crazy boring, stupidly profitable"

How is it stupidly profitable? I used to work at YP.com and they make all their money on the dead tree book

Re: Foursquare: An Ads Business With a Dying Product Hook

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post #18
post #7

I largely agree with the OP. This reminds me of Loopt. If I were Foursquare, I would use the metadata (reviews, checkins, etc) to build a Yellow Pages site that's powered by 4sq users gestures. But I'd leave monitization out of the consumer app entirely, and just focus on making it great and popular. Internet yellow pages is crazy boring, stupidly profitable, and waiting for disruption. Google Places and Yelp are cur…

That is sort of what Google's Niantic Labs is doing with Field Trip, though with more a discovering cool places angle than finding local businesses : http://www.fieldtripper.com/ Field Trip uses data from bunch of different sources, but also utilizes Ingress players as sort of "location scouts". Or at least that is what it looks like, with the focus on gathering new portals at points of interest.

>Or at least that is what it looks like, with the focus on gathering new portals at points of interest.

Yeah.

I played Ingress pretty heavily from launch till the beginning of this year.

As best I can tell, it's just what you describe with players serving to scout and submit new points of interest and check/refine the accuracy of existing submissions. I expect they're also gathering a wealth of location fine location data that could be applied to walking directions and public accessibility.

One of the more interesting possibilities I see for Ingress data is insight how information moves in social networks and how far a person will travel out of their way for a "reward".

I can see the collection and distribution of redeemable codes at Ingress cross-promotion locations being useful insight into a refined take on daily deals.

Re: Foursquare: An Ads Business With a Dying Product Hook

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post #7

I largely agree with the OP. This reminds me of Loopt. If I were Foursquare, I would use the metadata (reviews, checkins, etc) to build a Yellow Pages site that's powered by 4sq users gestures. But I'd leave monitization out of the consumer app entirely, and just focus on making it great and popular. Internet yellow pages is crazy boring, stupidly profitable, and waiting for disruption. Google Places and Yelp are cur…

It's wayyyyyyy too late in the game for foursquare to ignore monetization entirely

Re: Foursquare: An Ads Business With a Dying Product Hook

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, Yelp has been completely ruined by what amounts to YouTube comments. "The server was totally rude. She put lemon in my diet coke when I asked TWICE not to do that. It was the worst experience of my life." Foursquare seems to have less batshit insane people on it. They actually do helpful things like post the wireless password.

whoever captures more of the market gets those insane people too.

Do you want batshit crazy customers?
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