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New Persona Beta: Millions of Users Ready to Log In using Any Browser

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Re: New Persona Beta: Millions of Users Ready to Log In using Any Browser

#22

Persona seems terribly important. And well designed, particularly compared to the ad hoc social login systems. I don't understand why it doesn't have more mindshare. Is it not yet ready for use by consumer sites?

> I don't understand why it doesn't have more mindshare.

Because all they've published so far is API specs and fluffy PR sites that try to portray it as "oh so much better" without offering any insight about why it is better. They can claim "more privacy" all day long, but without any details about what gets stored where and why it is supposed to be safer, they don't make a compelling case.

Look at this page for example: https://login.persona.org/about (the "how it works" page) - it has 0 details about these claims and unfortunately, we're already tired of reading how Google and FB respect our privacy. From "outside", it looks like we need to give Mozilla our (existing) credentials and trust them to handle them with care. Why should we? I feel safer making pwgen passwords for every new site I need to register at.

Re: New Persona Beta: Millions of Users Ready to Log In using Any Browser

#23
Before they push Persona more, can someone walk over to the team that's running http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/ and either disconnect their servers or lock them to their chairs until they finish the migration?

I understand the pain of rebranding assets, I do. But if you're going to rebrand to a product your company is already using, it has to be fast. And Mozilla, the 2 year anniversary is in July...

Re: New Persona Beta: Millions of Users Ready to Log In using Any Browser

#24
Can I associate additional data to my profile? A lot of websites I use want to know my name, nickname, age, avatar-pic, timezone, etc. It would be nice if I could store it all with my Persona account and selectively allow access to sites that request it. I could even store my credit card info, and when the site wants me to fill in my address and such, I just click to allow access to that data, which can then autofill the forms.

I could even add things like have browsing preference data like "prefers-dark-on-light-theme", "no-video-or-audio-autoplay", or "no-nsfw-content". The site can add functionality for these preferences if it chooses to. Does Persona already have this?

Re: New Persona Beta: Millions of Users Ready to Log In using Any Browser

#25

Please, guys, change the pastel orange background of the blog to something a bit more serious. It gives wrong first impression and starts things off the wrong foot.

Blue or grey may be better suited to you? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/persona/branding

Re: New Persona Beta: Millions of Users Ready to Log In using Any Browser

#26
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One major difference is that if you log in to a site with Facebook then Facebook knows you logged in to the site.

Whereas if you log in to a site with Persona, that's between you, your browser, and the site. Mozilla is not pinged with any details about you in the process.

Furthermore, Persona is decentralized. Anyone can run an identity server (though sites don't have to trust all servers, obviously). So you do not in fact have to build an account with anyone new if your mail server deploys Persona and sites trust it to identify people. The article points out the Yahoo has rolled this out already, so anyone with an @yahoo.com mail doesn't have to do any new account-building.

Re: New Persona Beta: Millions of Users Ready to Log In using Any Browser

#27

Persona seems terribly important. And well designed, particularly compared to the ad hoc social login systems. I don't understand why it doesn't have more mindshare. Is it not yet ready for use by consumer sites?

Persona is ready for consumer sites.

Play Brave[1] is a game from the Born This Way Foundation, which uses Persona.

Mineshafter[2] is a free alternative to using the main Minecraft online services.

The Times[3] (UK) Crossword puzzle uses Persona to make switching between Desktop and Mobile easy.

[1] http://www.playbrave.org/gallery/ [2] http://mineshafter.info [3] http://crossword.thetimes.co.uk/

Re: New Persona Beta: Millions of Users Ready to Log In using Any Browser

#28

I do see the huge potential benefits of the system but have a couple of concerns. I'm concerned that a 'one password' for everything can be more of a liability if your password is stolen/lost and make phishing potentially more lucrative. Also concerned about a centralised password store - people make mistakes and if there was some DB leak/hack it could be damaging as it would not be contained within one system (if I'…

Persona is decentralised by design (with a centralised stop-gap to get things going). Once other companies implement their own Identity Provider it's all entirely decentralised.

Doesn't that lead to the problem of having to have multiple identities again?

ATM, I have a FB account that I can use to log in to some sites, a Twitter account, a Google account, a Yahoo account, etc.

With potentially everyone being able to be an Identity Provider, what happens if a site recognizes some providers, but not others? Does Persona ensure that, regardless of Provider, I can use one login on all sites?

Furthermore, how does it protect me from the site gathering and aggregating all kinds of information about me (which, admittedly, they probably already have)? There's usually one overarching, way-behind-the-scenes entity handling the data aggregation for many sites (ie., Facebook) which leads us right back to where we are now.

Or is that part not addressed by this solution?

Re: New Persona Beta: Millions of Users Ready to Log In using Any Browser

#29
Here is my feedback.

Perhaps the marketing of "persona" to consumers should take a backseat. When I signed in to http://123done.org/ the pop up* showing "sign in with persona" confused me for a moment. For a moment, I thought.. "but I do not have a persona account"

If there is a way for users to just sign in with their email without telling them how it is done, I am sure there will be even less friction.

Of course, the persona architecture could still be marketed to developers for integration purposes. But for users, let it just be like magic.

PS: I did not see the Firebase implementation they spoke of. I am still told to make sure my password has 8 characters. https://www.firebase.com/signup/

*https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ay0qp434rqd0dm/persona.png

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