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SEC Greenlights One Style Of Equity Crowdfunding For Startups

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Re: SEC Greenlights One Style Of Equity Crowdfunding For Startups

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There are some interesting characteristics of the arrangement between FC and the investors. Obviously it's a free market, and if FC is the best way a VC/accredited investor can get access to a startup they want to invest it, then maybe it's worth the cost, but IMO FC is taking a pretty big cut (from the VC) for their due diligence, making an introduction and pooling money. Personally, I discount the "due dilligence" aspect because a VC that doesn't do their own due diligence isn't a VC, and isn't someone you want investing in your company.

They do make things pretty easy on the startup. Having gone through a Reg D/504, it does take time to deal with the EDGAR and state-specific filing requirements, but it's not exactly rocket science either, and personally I found it fun to learn the system and successfully close a round on my own.

There are some interesting terms attached... In particular: - They vote all the shares on behalf of the investors, - They take up to 30% of the profits as carried interest, - They can resell on secondary markets if they become available, - And they can fully withhold their shares from an offer they don't like. For comparison, YC Series AA term sheet requires consent of 50% of the preferred to sell, and they can participate pro-rata. TechStars Series AA term sheet simply allows the preferred to participate pro-rata. - No mention of if their standard liquidation preference is participating, or anti-dilution clauses, neither of which [a startup] would typically want in a Series AA, but that's irrelevant to the SEC.

Quoting their letter to the SEC:

- FC Management manages the investment funds of which it is the manager. FC Management exercises any management rights negotiated with the start-up company (for example advisory board status, rights to review books and records, access to board materials, and/or access to management).

- FC Management has the ability to vote the investment fund's shares in any matter requiring a vote of the start-up company's shareholders. FC Management has the ability, subject to the terms of its agreement with the start-up company and applicable federal and state securities laws, to offer or sell its securities in the start-up company in the secondary market (if such a market exists or develops), or to offer or sell those securities back to the start-up company or to other existing investors in the start-up company.

- If the start-up company is the subject of a tender offer, FC Management has the right to decide whether or not to tender the shares owned by the investment fund.

Upon the liquidation of such a fund,the proceeds of the fund would be disbursed as follows:

(1)first any remaining out-of-pocket third-party expenses of the investment fund, to the extent not already paid out of the administrative fee, would be paid;

(2) second, the capital contributions of each of the investors in the investment fund would be repaid; and then

(3) third, any remaining profits of the investment fund would be distributed on a pro-rata basis, with a percentage to be paid on a pro-rata basis to the investors who had made capital contributions to the investment fund, and the remaining percentage to be paid to FC Management, Inc. in return for its role in organizing and managing the investment fund. The amount of this "carried interest" to be earned by FC Management would be disclosed to all investors in the fund at the time of the organization of the fund. We anticipate that amount of carried interest in most cases would be 20% or less of the profits of the investment fund, but in no event would the amount of carried interest exceed 30%.

Re: SEC Greenlights One Style Of Equity Crowdfunding For Startups

#22

I hope this turns out well. As a dot-bomb survivor I recognized that a big chunk of that bubble was gullible 'retail' investors and unscrupulous people happy to separate them from their money. One CEO at the time remarked "these folks have more enthusiasm for the company than I do, that seems backwards." My worry is that we'll get a race of people who have only seen (or read about) startups that when from a hundred t…

These are good concerns. There's a whole bunch of companies trying to move into the crowdinvesting / online VC space, and there's going to be a whole spectrum of platforms and startups trying to get some action.

Sites like Wefunder (disclosure: I'm a cofounder) and FundersClub put a lot of emphasis on vetting, for obvious reasons. You need "A player" startups to draw other "A player" startups, and if your selection of companies for investors to invest in are duds your ecosystem will collapse and everyone will lose money. Vetting helps keep the ecosystem healthy, but note: it's really hard to pick winners, startups are very risky investments, and at the end of the day never invest more than you can afford to lose.

While the JOBS act isn't in effect yet, there are a few protection mechanisms that are meant to avoid the situation you describe. Namely: unaccredited investors can only invest 5% of their income (10% if you make over $100k/yr). This protects you from losing your life savings. Also: unaccredited investors must invest through a crowdinvesting portal, and there are regulations around how those operate (e.g. the funding round must "tip" by hitting a target amount). There's a bit of "wisdom of crowds" that might help protect investors, but it depends on the crowd, how vulnerable crowd investors are to hype, and how good the fundraising platform is at helping crowds discuss/vet startups.

It's my personal belief, however, that simple startup failure will dominate fraud. Startups are hard! Even smart, motivated, well-connected founders fail. The best protection is to diversify your portfolio (e.g. make 25 $1k bets instead of one $25k bet).

Re: SEC Greenlights One Style Of Equity Crowdfunding For Startups

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're absolutely right to call out these concerns ChuckMcM. FundersClub is a curated VC platform that carries out vetting and due diligence; fewer than 5% of inbound startups end up even making it to our vetting panel. Even in spite of the above process, startup investing is risky, as we disclose in our FAQ. No one should invest money they cannot afford to lose in the startup asset category. Also, something that mig…

Hmm... So I go and buy a lottery ticket. Then go around selling people a piece of the ticket for 1/10 of what it cost me ($1, so 10 cents). I sell it to 100 people, and manage to make $9. Cool. I made money. But what happened to the lottery ticket? Did I win? No. The aim was never to have the winning ticket, but to sell a piece of the ticket and profit. What happened to those that bought a share of the ticket? They s…

I don't really follow your math. In your scenario, you're over-selling shares in the lottery ticket (a la "The Producers"), meaning you (as the intermediary) profit if the underlying investment fails, but you lose if the investment succeeds.

As for whether this is investment or speculation, as I understand the Funders Club model, every extra dollar that comes out of an investor's pocket results in one extra dollar going to a startup company. If providing a company with additional capital to pay for up-front costs before they're profitable isn't investing, what is?

Re: SEC Greenlights One Style Of Equity Crowdfunding For Startups

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FundersClub carefully vets all their companies; unlike platforms like IndieGoGo (which serves a different purpose), it's a very "hands-on" process with FundersClub ultimately creating an investment vehicle (LLC) for each company they feature. More: https://thefundersclub.com/site/vetting/

That only makes it more confusing. Look at the list of big names: When a big name gets a hold of a company they believe in, they usually take every share they can get for themselves. Put another way: If someone thinks a company is going to provide a great return, why would they want to share that return with you?

Maybe because it will only provide that great return if it raises sufficient capital, and they can't provide it all themselves, or want to diversify (as you should too).

Re: SEC Greenlights One Style Of Equity Crowdfunding For Startups

#25

I hope this turns out well. As a dot-bomb survivor I recognized that a big chunk of that bubble was gullible 'retail' investors and unscrupulous people happy to separate them from their money. One CEO at the time remarked "these folks have more enthusiasm for the company than I do, that seems backwards." My worry is that we'll get a race of people who have only seen (or read about) startups that when from a hundred t…

My worry is that we'll get a race of people who have only seen (or read about) startups that when from a hundred thousand dollar investment into billions, dumping money they cannot afford to lose into these things. That would trigger a bunch of excess capital seeking outlet and result it being used inefficiently, and when these folks learned about the "9 out of 10 start-ups don't make money for their investors" truism, they will be angry and litigious.

Personally, I'd like to see a way for investors to put money into some kind of broad-based startup index fund. I agree that people shouldn't be putting their life savings into a single startup. We don't like taking on that kind of personal risk (that's why we raise money) and they shouldn't have to, either. They should be able to take, say, $10,000 and put it into startups, plural.

Also, given that you're going to have a "power law" distribution of returns where a couple black swans are responsible for a large amount of the return, it's good for most investors to be in the whole spectrum; otherwise you get a St. Petersburg Lottery phenomenon where median returns are much lower than the (presumably quite high) expectancy.

Re: SEC Greenlights One Style Of Equity Crowdfunding For Startups

#26
This is a huge win.

FundersClub: have you thought about including profit-sharing (instead of a payoff at "liquidity", which might never happen for a profitable lifestyle or mid-growth business that still manages to kick out profits for 20 years) as a mechanism for returning funds to investors on a more immediate basis? If there's transparency in compensation, you can actually make this very fair to investors, and more fair to employees than the current VC-istan model. It would, even more importantly, provide a template for financing of mid-growth businesses (a "fleet" of thousands of so-called "lifestyle businesses" focused on cultural health and ~20%/year growth instead of VC-istan's 150%) that are currently underfunded.

Here's an exposition of how that would be structured to make it fair to everyone: http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/gervais-macle...

Re: SEC Greenlights One Style Of Equity Crowdfunding For Startups

#27
post #22

I hope this turns out well. As a dot-bomb survivor I recognized that a big chunk of that bubble was gullible 'retail' investors and unscrupulous people happy to separate them from their money. One CEO at the time remarked "these folks have more enthusiasm for the company than I do, that seems backwards." My worry is that we'll get a race of people who have only seen (or read about) startups that when from a hundred t…

These are good concerns. There's a whole bunch of companies trying to move into the crowdinvesting / online VC space, and there's going to be a whole spectrum of platforms and startups trying to get some action. Sites like Wefunder (disclosure: I'm a cofounder) and FundersClub put a lot of emphasis on vetting, for obvious reasons. You need "A player" startups to draw other "A player" startups, and if your selection o…

"Sites like Wefunder (disclosure: I'm a cofounder) and FundersClub put a lot of emphasis on vetting, for obvious reasons."

Yup, and this is essential.

The failure mechanic is that if you're successful, there will be a number of people who don't pass the 'vetting' but they want to participate. That demand will be met by people who don't do vetting, or choose to interpret vetting in a way that allows this person to participate.

A lot of the bad mortgages that were written in the real estate bubble were fraudulent, the "good" mortgage companies took care to insure that their customers could afford a mortgage and would be reasonably able to pay it back. The people who didn't qualify weren't served by them. Instead they were served by people who were less scrupulous.

This is the conversation we need to be on the look out for;

"Those guys turned you down because the rich folks don't want people like you getting in on this sort of deal and suddenly becoming rich like them, they are trying to keep you out by setting bars that says, 'Hey, if you aren't already rich you can't play here.' but that's not fair, is it? We are on your side, we're here to make you rich not to make rich people richer. Sure you can invest your 401k in so called 'index' funds, but with our clients will put it in a dozen different startups, anyone one could make you a millionaire and if two or more make it big, well lets just say I hope you remember the guy that made it possible for you. So are you in or not?"

Wefunder, FundersClub, the initial round of crowdfunding will all (hopefully) be great success stories. And if they are successful someone is going to create the "Countrywide" equivalent to them and fleece a ton of people. That is my fear and I don't know how to prevent it.

Re: SEC Greenlights One Style Of Equity Crowdfunding For Startups

#28

I hope this turns out well. As a dot-bomb survivor I recognized that a big chunk of that bubble was gullible 'retail' investors and unscrupulous people happy to separate them from their money. One CEO at the time remarked "these folks have more enthusiasm for the company than I do, that seems backwards." My worry is that we'll get a race of people who have only seen (or read about) startups that when from a hundred t…

My worry is that we'll get a race of people who have only seen (or read about) startups that when from a hundred thousand dollar investment into billions, dumping money they cannot afford to lose into these things. That would trigger a bunch of excess capital seeking outlet and result it being used inefficiently, and when these folks learned about the "9 out of 10 start-ups don't make money for their investors" truis…

FundersClub offered exactly that, the YCS13 fund that invests in about 10 companies in the YCS13 batch, with a $10k minimum investment. It closed about two months ago.

Re: SEC Greenlights One Style Of Equity Crowdfunding For Startups

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm... So I go and buy a lottery ticket. Then go around selling people a piece of the ticket for 1/10 of what it cost me ($1, so 10 cents). I sell it to 100 people, and manage to make $9. Cool. I made money. But what happened to the lottery ticket? Did I win? No. The aim was never to have the winning ticket, but to sell a piece of the ticket and profit. What happened to those that bought a share of the ticket? They s…

I don't really follow your math. In your scenario, you're over-selling shares in the lottery ticket (a la "The Producers"), meaning you (as the intermediary) profit if the underlying investment fails, but you lose if the investment succeeds. As for whether this is investment or speculation, as I understand the Funders Club model, every extra dollar that comes out of an investor's pocket results in one extra dollar go…

Still speculation because these are startups. Had these been stable companies this fund would not have such high ROI potential. Calling it investments has people think there is some sort of security here. There is none. Well, only for the "market makers".

Re: SEC Greenlights One Style Of Equity Crowdfunding For Startups

#30
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're absolutely right to call out these concerns ChuckMcM. FundersClub is a curated VC platform that carries out vetting and due diligence; fewer than 5% of inbound startups end up even making it to our vetting panel. Even in spite of the above process, startup investing is risky, as we disclose in our FAQ. No one should invest money they cannot afford to lose in the startup asset category. Also, something that mig…

Hmm... So I go and buy a lottery ticket. Then go around selling people a piece of the ticket for 1/10 of what it cost me ($1, so 10 cents). I sell it to 100 people, and manage to make $9. Cool. I made money. But what happened to the lottery ticket? Did I win? No. The aim was never to have the winning ticket, but to sell a piece of the ticket and profit. What happened to those that bought a share of the ticket? They s…

I don't think you really understand how FundersClub works.

As a FundersClub investor, you are buying shares in a fund, where the fund only holds assets (either convertible debt, preferred equity, or common equity) of the specified companies. Your money invested in the fund goes directly to the companies (minus fees).

It's really no different from investing in the companies themselves, except it wraps the multiple investors to a single fund which itself makes the investment.

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