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Re: A scientific accident that could change the world

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Well, the graphene seems easy enough to manufacture. What are the obstacles to start using this technology right now? What is still missing?

Experience. At least let people experiment a little bit more before building huge fabs using technique A only to realise that technique B works at half the cost and twice the time-efficiency.

Re: A scientific accident that could change the world

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Well, the graphene seems easy enough to manufacture. What are the obstacles to start using this technology right now? What is still missing?

In my inexpert knowledge I can see a few problems, while they have probably seen potential, they have yet to prove it can scale. Then there is getting manufacturers of devices to buy in to super capacitors and even worse getting battery life obsessed consumers to accept 1/4 the life as current Li Ion batteries is better because it has nearly instantaneous recharge times.

Re: A scientific accident that could change the world

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I'm not a scientist. I can't not say anything how this could be a revolution but if you want learn the basics about Graphene. Start with this video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX8ClPVkD1g and then to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmVnHgwOZs or just search it on youtube. This helps me a lot to understand. Have fun.

Re: A scientific accident that could change the world

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ok so here is the only real data I could find. At the end of the paper: "The LSG-EC can exhibit energy densities of up to 1.36 mWh/cm3 , a value that is approximately two times higher than that of the AC-EC" 1.36 mWh/cm3 = 1.36 Wh/L If we assume that 1 L of it weights very roughly 1kg. We get 1.36 Wh/kg. From wikipedia: "The amount of energy stored per unit weight [in ultracapacitors] is generally lower than that of…

There is a big miscalculation: Graphene seems to be extremely light weight. 1 liter of graphene will definitely not weight 1kg. Wikipedia [1] only gives measures for m²: Graphene is very light, weighing only about 0.77 milligrams per square meter. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene

Here[1], the density is said to be as low as 0.03 gm/cc which is the same as kg/liter. That gives a multiplicative factor of 33 over the above calculations, i.e. this could be 33% of the energy density of lithium ion batteries. Not bad.

[1]: http://www.strem.com/uploads/resources/documents/graphene_na...

Re: A scientific accident that could change the world

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I don't know much about the technology of this, but I used to play with capacitors during my teenage years and if this works even half as advertised it would be truly life altering. We could have "hybrid" solutions of a capacitor combined with a battery with the capacitor acting as a buffer to improve battery life.

Agreed, I was thinking that hybrid solutions do seem likely.

Re: A scientific accident that could change the world

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I'd love to see this technology being incorporated into Tesla's batteries. With super-fast and long lasting charges their cars might become viable in countries where charging stations are either incredibly rare or nonexistent.

Why specifically tesla and not just electric cars in general?

Re: A scientific accident that could change the world

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Am I the only one to think "hey, I could try this at home?" 1) prepare carbon slurry 2) pour on dvd 3) etch with LightScribe DVD drive... 4) Peel of graphene layer ...? I wonder what, exactly, goes into the carbon slurry and if it's necessary to etch a particular pattern with the LightScribe.

I thought so too but the result would be a CD with grey stuff on it.

My plan is to sell Lightscribe DVD drives and graphite oxide, like the store that sold shovels to gold miners.

Re: A scientific accident that could change the world

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In the comments they mention about 1/4 the energy density of a lithium ion battery, so yes they don't compete on that measure. But full charging can happen in a minute or two, and you could top up a charge in seconds. Perhaps public areas would have inductive chargers on the wall; you'd just walk over and hold your phone or tablet up to it for a few seconds. Airline tray tables could have an inductive charger built i…

Your inductive charging tray tables are terrible for my magnetic tapes and floppy disks. Also, where does it get its energy from? It's much more efficient to walk around with wearable solar panels or to embed them directly into the devices. It may not work well on the north pole half the time but batteries aren't very conductive in those environments, anyway.

There isn't enough upward facing surface area on your body for solar cells to power anything non-trivial. Also floppy disks?!?

Re: A scientific accident that could change the world

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Your inductive charging tray tables are terrible for my magnetic tapes and floppy disks. Also, where does it get its energy from? It's much more efficient to walk around with wearable solar panels or to embed them directly into the devices. It may not work well on the north pole half the time but batteries aren't very conductive in those environments, anyway.

When was the last time you walked around with a magnetic tape or floppy disc? Now - what happens if you put your wallet full of credit cards on it?

To be honest, magnetic strips on credit cards are redundant in a fair proportion of the world as well, especially Europe, although with a notable exception of the US which seems to be seriously lagging behind in this area. I live in the UK and it has easily been over 6 years since I have been anywhere where the magnetic strip has been read rather than using chip & pin (EMV).
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