Samsung should have made their Bada smartphones eligible for an upgrade to Tizen as the OS is supposedly capable of running Bada apps. This would at least establish a user base. Instead all of Bada adopters got screwed badly. I don't think anyone is going to fall for the same trap again.
Samsung's future is Tizen, not Android
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Re: Samsung's future is Tizen, not Android
#22Dear millions of people that have our Galaxy line devices as the center of your digital lives would you kindly switch to this new os, while we convince all the devs to support yet another OS and iron all the kinks. It will go smoothly.
Microsoft are playing the OS switching game for a few years now and this is working great for them.
While I do think that Tizen may be a future, there are huge investments in Android already to make it the future. While their support for Tizen makes some sense as a way to keep google's feet close to the fire and have alternative in case G start to move the OS in wrong direction, a major push to replace Android will be stupid.
Re: Samsung's future is Tizen, not Android
#23While I'm sure Samsung would love to replace Android with Tizen, I doubt they will actually be able to do it. While Apple and Google make it appear easy to create an OS that users enjoy using, the reality is that it is incredibly difficult. Just look at Windows Phone - I'm fairly sure that Microsoft is more able to create a technically superior OS to Samsung, and I think the amount of money Microsoft has poured into…
> ...the reality is that it is incredibly difficult.
Looking at the industry history it seems more a problem of mindset, that implies a failure understanding a different industry (e.g: hardware != software, ISP != Web). For example, before the new Windows Phone 8 it was incredible that Microsoft insisted with an awkward UI that came from the Palm era. There are a lot of other examples like Nokia/Ovi, Telefonica/Lycos.
Re: Samsung's future is Tizen, not Android
#24I can't imagine a worse android experience than what TouchWiz offers. And if you remove the android ecosystem from that they will have nothing an enthusiast or power user would ever want in a Samsung phone.
Building cheap entry-level phones seemed like the right thing to do, Tizen won't be polished in the beginning (as no OS is) and people buying high-end devices today expect that it is. I'm assuming they don't want to associate Tizen with budget or low quality phones but I really can't see how Tizen will be anything but a spectacular failure in america and europe at least.
Re: Samsung's future is Tizen, not Android
#25"For most Samsung smartphone owners, TouchWiz is Android, and since Tizen could easily get a TouchWiz-like user interface, the average consumer wouldn't notice a thing." You've got to be kidding. Do you remember the demo? www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1y7CpIaVA Smooth. :/ To be fair, I'm sure they're working on the UI, but UI is something that's hard to get right. It took android what, 4 years to reach a point where it's…
I am one of the few people who's had the (mis)fortune of developing for Bada, one of Tizen's predecessors.
For a while, I was using a Wave 3, which was basically a nicer Galaxy S2 running Bada (I could never quite understand why Samsung went to the trouble of designing a very nice metal unibody handset and then saddling it with Bada).
People in the office who weren't developers would on occasion pick up the Wave and genuinely believe it was running Android. Samsung had ported TouchWiz over to it, and whilst there were some clearly noticeable differences in terms of performance most people didn't care enough to pick this up. I think you give people too much credit.
All I know is that back then Samsung put a lot of effort in making Bada look, feel, and behave like TouchWiz on Android. I haven't looked at Tizen recently, but I don't see why they wouldn't do the same here.
Re: Samsung's future is Tizen, not Android
#26The platform lock-in has never been about the OS, it's always been about the apps. Why do you buy a Nintendo system? Because of the OS? No, because of Mario. Why do you buy Windows? Because of the OS? No, because of Office or some PC game or maybe Visual Studio.
Samsung can't rid itself of Android until it has a way to run android apps on Tizen or possibly just to pay devs millions of dollars to port their apps.
Re: Samsung's future is Tizen, not Android
#27While I'm sure Samsung would love to replace Android with Tizen, I doubt they will actually be able to do it. While Apple and Google make it appear easy to create an OS that users enjoy using, the reality is that it is incredibly difficult. Just look at Windows Phone - I'm fairly sure that Microsoft is more able to create a technically superior OS to Samsung, and I think the amount of money Microsoft has poured into…
It's my understanding that Microsoft's mobile efforts suffered a unique discontinuity that makes it hard to compare them to others: they bought Skype on 10 May 2011, making them anathema to carriers.
Re: Samsung's future is Tizen, not Android
#28While I'm sure Samsung would love to replace Android with Tizen, I doubt they will actually be able to do it. While Apple and Google make it appear easy to create an OS that users enjoy using, the reality is that it is incredibly difficult. Just look at Windows Phone - I'm fairly sure that Microsoft is more able to create a technically superior OS to Samsung, and I think the amount of money Microsoft has poured into…
Replying to my own comment... Regarding Touchwizz and Android app compatibility - without the core Google services (maps, play, etc), many popular Android apps will not run. The differences in the underlying platform is also likely to cause many errors and incompatibilities on non-modified Android apps run on Tizen. This means more app crashes and more uncertainty. In any event, full Android app compatibility and And…
Google added a non-fragmentation clause to their OEM agreement[1] which is meant to prevent anyone from forking it in the way that Amazon has. You can fork it, but you can't make official Android phones anymore if you do. Obviously Samsung wants to continue to sell their Galaxy S phones. Tizen is a hail mary pass.
[1]http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/31/google-tightening-control...
Re: Samsung's future is Tizen, not Android
#29Samsung should have made their Bada smartphones eligible for an upgrade to Tizen as the OS is supposedly capable of running Bada apps. This would at least establish a user base. Instead all of Bada adopters got screwed badly. I don't think anyone is going to fall for the same trap again.
A lot of the Bada models are pretty low specced. They're all using single cores with low amounts of memory. Tizen may be backwards compatible with Bada apps, but I doubt the vast majority of Bada handsets out there are capable of running Tizen without problems.
Re: Samsung's future is Tizen, not Android
#30On a more technical aspect: does anyone knows whether the HTML5 apis tizen offer will be fast enough to cover all the needs for "nativ" apps ? I was building a HTML5 phonegap app very recently on a samsung galaxy Tab 2 and couldn't help notice how sluggish the overall feeling was, even for extremely basic UI animations (had to switch to 3D CSS transformations to make sure 3D hardware was used). If I understood correc…
Do you mean "canvas" instead of HTML5 for your phonegap app?