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Google Kills Its RSS Subscription Browser Extension Too

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Re: Google Kills Its RSS Subscription Browser Extension Too

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I'm one tinfoil hat away from believing this isn't just about discontinuing unprofitable products, but a concerted effort to kill off support for open standards (RSS, CalDAV, what's next?) and turning the Google universe into a Facebook/Apple style walled garden called Google+. Evil plan or not, the days of Google as the champion of the open web are over.

For years I've used gchat & status (& temporarily used buzz) as a light social network for friends, and it worked great. But now they've made it so mouseovers on the status don't work as well, and generally cramped up the design so status messages aren't as visible... could be part of the same plan.

Re: Google Kills Its RSS Subscription Browser Extension Too

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Only if you assume the extension existed to support the Google Reader service, which is false. RSS is a standard with many uses outside Google Reader.

Sure, but what was the default service?

Not the browser extension, but when I check a Feedburner feed in Chrome I see, in order: MyYahoo, NewsGator, MyAOL, Bloglines, Netvibes, Google Reader, Pageflakes, and then a dropdown for other options.

Re: Google Kills Its RSS Subscription Browser Extension Too

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post #16

I don't understand what people use to see new information from multiple websites at once if they aren't using RSS. Are they actually visiting 10 or 20 websites a day manually? Do "normal" users stick to just a few websites?

I consider myself a very technical person, but I never saw a reason to use RSS feeds (or Reader for that matter).

There are not a lot of "content websites" that I follow (Fefes Blog, Beautiful Pixels, MacRumors...) but rather content aggregation websites like HackerNews or Reddit, which I use to get my daily dose of news (not just tech but all kinds of categories). And yes, I check those manually, often on my phone in the respective apps, and it does not at all feel like a hassle. I've tried using Google Reader and other feed managers like Feedly but never got used to them.

For personalized news I look at the two social sites I follow (App.net and Twitter).

Re: Google Kills Its RSS Subscription Browser Extension Too

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I'm one tinfoil hat away from believing this isn't just about discontinuing unprofitable products, but a concerted effort to kill off support for open standards (RSS, CalDAV, what's next?) and turning the Google universe into a Facebook/Apple style walled garden called Google+. Evil plan or not, the days of Google as the champion of the open web are over.

That ship sailed a long time ago. I see it as when they gave up on Friend Connect / OpenSocial as when they sort of gave up on the idea of open-first, and instead started focusing it competing feature-for-feature. Mozilla is the champion of the open web these days. Google started their proprietary NaCl and Dart projects because they claimed you couldn't make JavaScript any faster than it currently is. And now Mozilla…

You know, I keep seeing this "proprietary NaCl" statement around, and having played with it myself, I have a bit of a soapbox. There's nothing proprietary about NaCl: all the specs are open, and Google actively wants Mozilla and others to support them.

To be charitable, though, I guess what most people mean by "NaCl is not open like Javascript" is that it's low-level--compiled binaries instead of readily-accessible script. And that's true; it exposes less to the user--and although it would be perfectly possible for every NaCl module to be debuggable through the browser with embedded symbols, just like Javascript is, it hasn't happened yet.

But you know, NaCl isn't for that, as far as I can tell. It's not a thing to write the business-domain logic of your web app in. It's far too clunky to develop with, if that were the intent.

Instead, what NaCl seems perfectly suited as, to me, is an architecture for writing pluggable scripting-language virtual machines. In other words, to give freedom of choice to use a backend other than V8 to write your web app against. Java-in-the-browser, Ruby-in-the-browser, Erlang-in-the-browser; any of those would be possible, and just as transparent+useful as Javascript-in-the-browser (in fact, V8 itself could be lifted out to being just another NaCl module.) And since the site would deliver the "runtime" for the scripts itself[1], any compatible browser could pull it down and execute it, instead of waiting for IE, Firefox, Chrome, etc. to all adopt the new language before anyone can start using it (a Sisyphean wait.)

There's already one perfect example of how this all would work: Adobe Flash. Flash is, in Chrome at least, an NaCl (PPAPI) module. Now, Flash isn't a shining example of openness--but using a custom interpreter is not where it goes wrong.[2] You can easily imagine Flash without that problem: a world where you can have and the Flash runtime will reach in and execute that code, just like the Javascript runtime reaches in and executes your JS.

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[1] This doesn't necessarily have to be true, though. The browser can come with default language runtime modules, and then the webapp can suggest a site-specific runtime module, but the browser doesn't have to take that suggestion. Which is exactly the way a thing that is considered "open" on the web works: fonts! Think of an NaCl module as being no more or less than a custom @font-face rule for the execution of a script.

[2] Flash goes wrong by embedding its programs into proprietary binary asset packages [SWFs]; goes wrong again by drawing everything onto a single canvas, not allowing for anything like DOM manipulation; and then goes wrong a third time by having only one de-facto implementation with no open standard.

Re: Google Kills Its RSS Subscription Browser Extension Too

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That ship sailed a long time ago. I see it as when they gave up on Friend Connect / OpenSocial as when they sort of gave up on the idea of open-first, and instead started focusing it competing feature-for-feature. Mozilla is the champion of the open web these days. Google started their proprietary NaCl and Dart projects because they claimed you couldn't make JavaScript any faster than it currently is. And now Mozilla…

You know, I keep seeing this "proprietary NaCl" statement around, and having played with it myself, I have a bit of a soapbox. There's nothing proprietary about NaCl: all the specs are open, and Google actively wants Mozilla and others to support them. To be charitable, though, I guess what most people mean by "NaCl is not open like Javascript" is that it's low-level --compiled binaries instead of readily-accessible…

What do you mean by specs are open? Published fully or developed communally?

Fully published is obviously better than not, but is rarely enough. Openness is not a binary choice.

Re: Google Kills Its RSS Subscription Browser Extension Too

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post #23
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but what was the default service?

Not the browser extension, but when I check a Feedburner feed in Chrome I see, in order: MyYahoo, NewsGator, MyAOL, Bloglines, Netvibes, Google Reader, Pageflakes, and then a dropdown for other options.

the majority of those service is defunct.

Re: Google Kills Its RSS Subscription Browser Extension Too

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, I keep seeing this "proprietary NaCl" statement around, and having played with it myself, I have a bit of a soapbox. There's nothing proprietary about NaCl: all the specs are open, and Google actively wants Mozilla and others to support them. To be charitable, though, I guess what most people mean by "NaCl is not open like Javascript" is that it's low-level --compiled binaries instead of readily-accessible…

What do you mean by specs are open? Published fully or developed communally? Fully published is obviously better than not, but is rarely enough. Openness is not a binary choice.

Developed communally, as part of the Chromium project. Not as a vendor-neutral working group or anything of the sort yet, mind you. But there's no reason it wouldn't move to become that if any other vendor was actually interested in coordinating on it--they're not hiding their cards inside Google's walled garden or anything.

Re: Google Kills Its RSS Subscription Browser Extension Too

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post #25
post #16

I don't understand what people use to see new information from multiple websites at once if they aren't using RSS. Are they actually visiting 10 or 20 websites a day manually? Do "normal" users stick to just a few websites?

I consider myself a very technical person, but I never saw a reason to use RSS feeds (or Reader for that matter). There are not a lot of "content websites" that I follow (Fefes Blog, Beautiful Pixels, MacRumors...) but rather content aggregation websites like HackerNews or Reddit, which I use to get my daily dose of news (not just tech but all kinds of categories). And yes, I check those manually, often on my phone i…

It would be damn annoying for me to check fefe several times, find the last link I read and start above it. And that's for his somewhat low-update blog. Stuff like techdirt is way worse with ~50 or so posts per day.
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