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Will MOOCs Destroy Academia?

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Re: Will MOOCs Destroy Academia?

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College debt is getting out of control. I could see MOOCs cannibalizing some lower tier options, like University of Phoenix, which IMO would be a good thing. But I don’t think Harvard’s going anywhere. To become more popular, MOOCs need to do a better job of marketing to employers that their credentials are just as good as some lower or mid-tier state university. Some MOOCs are already doing this, like Udacity with t…

Tivo doesn't have Quizzes and exercises.

For the most part though, the Moocs' credentials aren't the same as from some on-campus course, and there is not one bachelor program that is fully available from Moocs. Udacity seems to aim at such a credential, but they are at least 75% shy of that.

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As long as employers continue to care about credentialing rather than actual knowledge academia will be fine.

Credentialism is destroying academia. Professors have been under pressure for decades to lower their standards, avoid making their courses difficult, and to teach things with obvious vocation relevance. Humanities departments are being slashed. General education requirements have been weakened.

Eventually, employers will realize that two-year degrees are as good as four-year degrees when it comes to vocational training. If a four-year degree represents nothing more than vocational training, why bother requiring one when a two-year degree generally suffices? By catering to credentialism and caving to student demands for vocational training, universities have set themselves up for a disaster.

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MOOCS are nice as a kind of podcast when they are on a n interesting subject. That being said I don't see them replacing academia until three big problems are solved.

The first is the value added problem, at the end of the day they aren't better than normal lectures and are actually a bit worse. It's funny that even the most innovate institutions have accomplished little more than putting lectures up online. Lectures are about on level with books when it comes to retention. A much better model would be adopting something more like code academy with a good balance of interactivity and theory.

The second and probably most important problem is the depth problem. You don't go to college to take general ed requirements. You go to take the high level sophisticated classes in your field. These classes are rarely delivered in the form of a lecture and often have extensive lab courses and student teacher interaction. I've yet to see a MOOC that can replace this effectively. Similarly, there is no good model for students to come in and pick up lab classes or lab materials. I'm sure there is a volunteer system that could do it, but it doesn't exist yet.

The final problem is of course credentialing. While many classes provide you with a certificate at the end the value of this is really up in the air. For most people, a certificate is unnecessary, the value is in the material, but if they plan to replace colleges they need to solve this problem.

I think MOOCs are the future. Just more like the 10 or 15 year future over the 5 to 10 year future.

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No, but they are exposing an internal contradiction of academia. Academics want to research, students want them to teach. Simple, fine. But society wants teachers with research-frontier-level knowledge, so it unified the two functions in research universities. Unfortunately, society wants to pay at the level of free-to-cheap, both for tuition and for public investment.

So we get ever-rising tuition driven by state cutbacks, ever-rising student debt, ever-tightening research funding, and MOOCs. A reasonably good institution (research academia) is destroyed because nobody really believes in its original mission (uniting teaching with research) anymore, and just want its members to specialize in one aspect or the other.

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MOOCs combine the INCREDIBLE FREEDOM (and efficacy) of self-directed learning with the benefit of access to discipline-leading educators, scaleable web-based interactivity, and active participatory online community.

Even given all that, nothing can replace the educational value of a 5 minute meatworld conversation with someone more knowledgeable than you. Unfortunately, this does not describe 99% of university experiences. I get better (more productive) conversations at my local hackerspace than I ever did during my undergrad years. And I'm the kind of person who is not happy unless I am learning.

I'm never going back to academia because I need relevant, active learning to be an every day thing.

Academia is really only appropriate for people who want to produce original research, (and also want that research to be taken seriously.)

And that's only because we haven't figured out a better system of peer review outside of academia with sufficiently high standards of ethics, quality, credibility and adherence to scientific methods.

So yeah. Even if you don't consider the depreciating real-world value of university degrees, academia is in trouble.

IMHO if academia wants to survive it needs to take a serious look at the real, tangible value it provides society and focus on that (and only that.)

Aside: There are plenty of shitty MOOCs, plenty that don't suit my learning style, but there is also a handful of golden MOOCs that have absolutely changed my life, and shape how I view the world. The difference between a shitty MOOC and a shitty pre-requisite or required university course is that you can leave the MOOC, stop participating and learn the content elsewhere. You are never locked into an unpleasant learning experience. Shitty MOOCs will either have to get better or die. In the shitty university course, you either suffer or fail. It's not a hard choice to make, given a choice.

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It's interesting because (in Ontario, Canada) there is an ongoing trend to adopt online classes because of the touted lower costs.

Since there is an explosion of demand of students who primarily see post-secondary institutions as job training grounds (and don't necessarily understand academia), the institutions wan't to adopt these online courses to help deal with demand and attract students with the appeal of 'remote' courses, all at lower costs.

If MOOCs can be credentialed and recognized by employers, I think it's logical that they'll steal a lot of the undergrads from universities, which are the primary revenue generator for these institutions.

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Many in Europe are eyeing it as a possible opening. If U.S. academia implodes over its teaching-related parts (tuition/etc.), perhaps accelerated by MOOCs, will it take the research dominance of U.S. academia down with it, too? As least in Scandinavia, we don't feel MOOCs are a huge threat to us, because there is no tuition, so there is no real financial reason for students to prefer MOOCs. Maybe some will out of per…

I only skimmed this article, but I don't see how this argument works. US "academia" (in the sense of the top handful of universities in any given field) isn't supported by student tuition in any meaningful way. It's supported mostly by government grants to the science departments and by alumni giving (typically buffered by a large endowment foundation) to make up the slack. Only schools with no graduate programs (i.e. pretty much "not academia" by typical definition) need to get by on tuition.

US academic institutions are dominant because they have more money (largely because of historical government policy), not because of any monopoly position enjoyed over the students. I can certainly see European or Asian institutions taking over this lead, but certainly not because students want to attend "MOOCs". If you want a top-tier university go and buy one.

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Massive Open Online Courses won’t replace college. It may be part of the puzzle, but there is no replacement for having peers and mentors to go to and ask questions.

However, I think MOOCs will start to replace textbooks. These Courses-as-a-Service (School-as-a-Service?) serve as supplementary material to those already trying to learn something new. Signing up for one of these courses serves a similar function to purchasing a textbook.

Some are doing this better than others. Take Treehouse, which is offers some of the better online programming courses, they offer engaging videos, and projects that go with them. Treehouse is more like a TV show, or a weird YouTube channel than a class.

I read somewhere that about 80 percent of those that sign up for a class drop out (Ill look for the source). That doesn’t surprise me. I haven’t finished 90 percent of the programming textbooks I have. The reasons are the same – I own more than I have time to complete, and I use them as a reference.

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