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U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

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Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

#21

He makes some great points. People don't care where their good come from, they just want them to be cheap and high quality. # hour workday? Unbelievable.

"People don't care where their good come from"

I don't think this is entirely true. In fact, I think Americans have been caring more and more over the past few decades, especially about items made in Asia (and please don't mention Apple).

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#23
I have an idea that the differences in work ethic across Europe may be partly to do with climate and partly to do with language.

In France, the verb 'work' is travailler. Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the differences in the approach and cultural views towards work that I see across Europe, particularly with latin root romance languages.

The second factor I've seen is climate. In the more productive northern European countries, it's generally colder. There's been a historical need for produce and for people to work (not endure or arbeit) to trade in order to get everything you need in terms of food and shelter.

South of the Olive line something strange happens. If you look at Spain you'll see that there's a long siesta during the day. This is because for a large part of the year Spain's too hot to work in during most of the afternoon. While we have air conditioning now, hundreds of years of cultural differences I feel may have led us with ingrained ideas about what work is and what it means, with those differences reinforced by climate.

For example, in Turkey there's no such thing as a siesta (there's no time in Istanbul for one anyway). Culturally it doesn't really exist, yet it's as hot as parts of Spain that do.

I could be completely wrong about this, but it's just something I've noticed. I do believe that the unions are crippling France's productivity, but France is as likely to change in the short term as the rest of Europe to France's view IMHO.

EDIT : I'm not saying that Germans, Brits or whoever are harder working, or that the French, Spanish, Moomins are lazy, far from it. I'm pointing out some differences in how people perceive work (i.e. neutrally or with negative connotations) based on language and culture, based solely on my own experience. For what it's worth I've worked with lazy Brits and Germans and hard working French and Spanish people. The Moomins I've never worked with, sorry if you're a Moomin and my ignorance upset you.

raverbashing makes a good point here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5252446

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

#24
post #3

I don't get why you'd ever send a letter like this (except anonymously, or if you were a politician). There is no upside beyond just "Sorry, we're not interested -- our new investments are focused on Asia, where demand for tires is growing 200%/yr. Sincerely, CEO." There is downside -- you might provoke some tariffs in EU/France, or disinvestment from the pension fund, or whatever.

Because he is not a money-earning robot despite his position?

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

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post #23

I have an idea that the differences in work ethic across Europe may be partly to do with climate and partly to do with language. In France, the verb 'work' is travailler . Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the…

>>In France, the verb 'work' is travailler. Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation.

"travailler" comes from Latin, in spanish the same word is "trabajar", notice the resemblance. It literally means "to work" in english. Just saying this because I don't really buy it that "travailler" in French means "to toil".

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

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post #23

I have an idea that the differences in work ethic across Europe may be partly to do with climate and partly to do with language. In France, the verb 'work' is travailler . Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the…

France is one of most productive countries in the world, when measured as GDP per hour-worked:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP...

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post #6

>>Alas, America isn’t what it used to be: Insulting the French doesn’t seem to be rewarded by the stock market, and Titan is down about 1% so far today. As if. Correlation is not causation.

True. Also, the wsj article is dated today. Look at the market, EVERYTHING is down today. The letter was dated Feb 8. As if this news is just getting around to the big players today...

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

#30

He makes some great points. People don't care where their good come from, they just want them to be cheap and high quality. # hour workday? Unbelievable.

So just because some crazy US CEO states in a letter that French workers have a "3 hour workday" you suddenly believe that? This guy is crazy and I find it amusing that anybody takes anything he writes seriously.
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