The engineer's computer was compromised using a real zero-day exploit targeting an undisclosed piece of software. What the diddly ding dong is Facebook doing with real 0-day exploits (besides using them in fire drills)? More importantly HOW did they get their hands on 0-day exploits? And what other exploits do they have/buy/finagle? Is it on a regular basis?
At Facebook, zero-day exploits, backdoor code bring war games drill to life
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah! See, that makes much more sense, but I hope this isn't spin. ;) So then next question, how come the vulnerability was unpatched?
Because it was all staged?
Does that mean they used the discovery of the vulnerability as an opportunity to create the drill (as a "might as well use this" scenario) or was the drill planned with the 0-day and then the developer was notified?
Which came first here, the vulnerability or the plan for the excercise? I would imagine priority would be to patch the system rather than plan a drill, no?
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#23"In 2010, hackers penetrated the defenses of Google...The hacks allowed the attackers to make off with valuable Google intellectual property and information about dissidents who used the company's services. It also helped coin the term "advanced persistent threat," or APT," Sorry Ars but the term "Advanced Persistent Threat" was not coined in 2010. Businessweek was using the term in 2008[1] and that was hardly the fi…
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#24I'd be moderately pissed off if I got stuck in a drill for 24h+ without knowing it was a drill, unless it was a known thing that drills would be run routinely. There is stuff I'd do for "real" (missing one-off personal events, etc.) which I wouldn't do for training. I'd skip out on a wedding (well, I always do anyway), funeral, etc. for a real security issue, but would quit the next day if I had done so for training…
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#25My tank game has fancy multicore code and, also, code that compiler at run-time.
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#26The engineer's computer was compromised using a real zero-day exploit targeting an undisclosed piece of software. What the diddly ding dong is Facebook doing with real 0-day exploits (besides using them in fire drills)? More importantly HOW did they get their hands on 0-day exploits? And what other exploits do they have/buy/finagle? Is it on a regular basis?
I've seen 0days found by engineers at other tech companies, so I find it likely that somebody at Facebook could run across one if they tried.
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#27I'd be moderately pissed off if I got stuck in a drill for 24h+ without knowing it was a drill, unless it was a known thing that drills would be run routinely. There is stuff I'd do for "real" (missing one-off personal events, etc.) which I wouldn't do for training. I'd skip out on a wedding (well, I always do anyway), funeral, etc. for a real security issue, but would quit the next day if I had done so for training…
As the article noted, they started the whole drill relatively early in the morning on a workday (a Wednesday, iirc, which are the days where we do not have meetings). About half an hour after we'd fixed the obvious problem and were starting to dig deeper, the guys organizing the whole thing stepped in and let us know it was actually a drill, but that we were going to keep treating it as if it were real.
It actually ended up being a super interesting and eye-opening experience, and drove good changes to some of our infrastructure. I had no idea we'd go so far as buying a 0-day and using it to test our own systems and response, but I think it shows that we don't screw around when it comes to making sure we're secure.
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#29I was there that day, sitting near several of the people deeply involved. I'm not really a security guy, so I was mostly a morbidly curious bystander. Early on, I saw a bunch of SeriouslyScary(tm) stuff in chat, and decided to see what was up. I was shoulder-surfing while they were looking at the url/endpoint, and when we found the code, and then the diff that put it into the codebase, the collective "oh shit" was so…
The only way an attacker could have come across this URL would be if they had access to our codebase specifically - the string in the "extra_log" param was hardcoded in the PHP endpoint. It didn't even occur to me that they might have placed it there. Only when someone pointed out that this param was actually md5("october") did we start to wonder if it might be a drill.
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#30The engineer's computer was compromised using a real zero-day exploit targeting an undisclosed piece of software. What the diddly ding dong is Facebook doing with real 0-day exploits (besides using them in fire drills)? More importantly HOW did they get their hands on 0-day exploits? And what other exploits do they have/buy/finagle? Is it on a regular basis?
Exactly how hard do you think it is to get your hands on an exploit for an unpatched vulnerability?