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SpaceX to Launch Private Astronauts in 2015

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Re: SpaceX to Launch Private Astronauts in 2015

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

2-3 years seems to be SpaceX's preferred timeline (and they've hit most of them so far)

? They've actually missed almost all of their deadlines. 3-5 years is more realistic (if I were a betting man) based on past performance. But they've certainly hit all their milestones, eventually, which is much more than can be said for nearly every other private space venture.

Never is the most realistic deadline.

Re: SpaceX to Launch Private Astronauts in 2015

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> The idea is for NASA’s commercial partners to demonstrate the safety and operability of the new craft on their own employees before the agency risks its astronauts.

The keywords here seem to be 'risks ITS astronauts'. With all the money they (rightly) have spend on human safety in an outer space environment they now assume somebody else will do it for them? This confuses me to no end.

So it's like getting test drivers for space vehicles now. Oh my, times sure have changed...

Re: SpaceX to Launch Private Astronauts in 2015

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post #20

Yeah, no. Elon Musk should instead focus on fixing the Peaks that will make the Almighty Industrial Revolution look like a blip on the easel of the history of history. Space travel, cars and the Internet has no future beyond the next 10~ years. Possibly shorter if the financial paradigm falls sooner. * Peak oil, gas, coal, phosphorous, rare earth metals, uranium, copper, iron und su weiter. Sorry Elon!

You do realize that most of the things on your list can be found in much more abundance in space, right? So getting us there is the first step.

Re: SpaceX to Launch Private Astronauts in 2015

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post #20

Yeah, no. Elon Musk should instead focus on fixing the Peaks that will make the Almighty Industrial Revolution look like a blip on the easel of the history of history. Space travel, cars and the Internet has no future beyond the next 10~ years. Possibly shorter if the financial paradigm falls sooner. * Peak oil, gas, coal, phosphorous, rare earth metals, uranium, copper, iron und su weiter. Sorry Elon!

You do realize that most of the things on your list can be found in much more abundance in space, right? So getting us there is the first step.

No, because even if we got more of those (and fossil fuels, the most crucial component of our "prosperous" Western societies aren't available from the skies) we wouldn't solve the most conspicuous problem: growth. Billions will die in this century, world pop will plummet to ~ 0.5 billion and the Internet, cars and all such trivialities will vanish.

The first step? Stopping the senseless notion we will ever get off this rock and implement a "reduce, reuse, recycle and do without" paradigm akin to world war 2 rationing, will be the first step.

Re: SpaceX to Launch Private Astronauts in 2015

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that most of the things on your list can be found in much more abundance in space, right? So getting us there is the first step.

No, because even if we got more of those (and fossil fuels, the most crucial component of our "prosperous" Western societies aren't available from the skies) we wouldn't solve the most conspicuous problem: growth. Billions will die in this century, world pop will plummet to ~ 0.5 billion and the Internet, cars and all such trivialities will vanish. The first step? Stopping the senseless notion we will ever get off th…

>fossil fuels

Elon Musk is working on that. He also owns Solar City and Tesla Motors.

>growth

Colonizing space can solve that. Plenty more room and resources.

>senseless notion we will ever get off this rock

It's looking less and less senseless every day, in part due to Musk and his team.

Re: SpaceX to Launch Private Astronauts in 2015

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because even if we got more of those (and fossil fuels, the most crucial component of our "prosperous" Western societies aren't available from the skies) we wouldn't solve the most conspicuous problem: growth. Billions will die in this century, world pop will plummet to ~ 0.5 billion and the Internet, cars and all such trivialities will vanish. The first step? Stopping the senseless notion we will ever get off th…

>fossil fuels Elon Musk is working on that. He also owns Solar City and Tesla Motors. >growth Colonizing space can solve that. Plenty more room and resources. >senseless notion we will ever get off this rock It's looking less and less senseless every day, in part due to Musk and his team.

Batteries can't be an alternative because: 1) They need fossil fuels and finite minerals/metals to be manufactured and transported 2) The EROEI is way less

The earth had plenty of room and resources before we "decided" (we didn't, we're humans, like yeast we try to consume everything in our path until the overshoot is apparent and we collapse) that 7-9 billion people and American 1000 gallon a year per capita lifestyles were viable. Haha, what folly.

Re: SpaceX to Launch Private Astronauts in 2015

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post #21
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

? They've actually missed almost all of their deadlines. 3-5 years is more realistic (if I were a betting man) based on past performance. But they've certainly hit all their milestones, eventually, which is much more than can be said for nearly every other private space venture.

Never is the most realistic deadline.

How do you figure? Were they willing to tolerate some risk, they could have done it successfully two years ago. The only thing standing in their way are the engineering challenges needed to reduce the risk to levels that they consider acceptable, and they seem to have a firm handle on what that entails and how to achieve it.

Re: SpaceX to Launch Private Astronauts in 2015

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that most of the things on your list can be found in much more abundance in space, right? So getting us there is the first step.

No, because even if we got more of those (and fossil fuels, the most crucial component of our "prosperous" Western societies aren't available from the skies) we wouldn't solve the most conspicuous problem: growth. Billions will die in this century, world pop will plummet to ~ 0.5 billion and the Internet, cars and all such trivialities will vanish. The first step? Stopping the senseless notion we will ever get off th…

The 70's called, they want their talking points back.

Re: SpaceX to Launch Private Astronauts in 2015

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post #10

Check out this trolling: the final sentence of the article says "AXE astronauts may even beat their SpaceX counterparts to microgravity" (in an XCOR Lynx rocketplane). As in Axe body spray. Uh huh. This is trolling because a) that's a suborbital spaceplane (which the mention, but don't emphasize), which is obviously a much lower bar b) the Lynx Mk I hasn't even started flight tests yet, as far as I can tell from thei…

Hehe, yeah. By that standard astronaut Mike Melvill already beat those SpaceX astronauts by more than 10 years...

Re: SpaceX to Launch Private Astronauts in 2015

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post #28
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because even if we got more of those (and fossil fuels, the most crucial component of our "prosperous" Western societies aren't available from the skies) we wouldn't solve the most conspicuous problem: growth. Billions will die in this century, world pop will plummet to ~ 0.5 billion and the Internet, cars and all such trivialities will vanish. The first step? Stopping the senseless notion we will ever get off th…

The 70's called, they want their talking points back.

Club of Rome tried to warn, but since we wanted growth, collapse is what "we" "deserve". Thanks former generations for not heeding the rational advice.
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