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Lenovo splits the Think brand into a separate group

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Re: Lenovo splits the Think brand into a separate group

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I feel the same way. The ThinkPad is the only computer that could potentially tempt me away from my MacBook. So far I'm stuck to OS X though (dreaming of Arch minimalism).

Arch is a maintenance nightmare if you want to be productive.

I have never used Arch, but I heard it uses rolling releases. Could you expand a bit more in the typical problems an Arch user would run into?

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ThinkPad is amazingly solid. I had two so far and both were wonderful machine. Lenovo's service is pretty good as well. My latest laptop's Intel SSD drive went dead after a year. They shipped a replacement right the way with no question asked.

I had an IBM era T43 for a while and currently have a T60 that's almost as old as Lenovo's take over of the brand, and it's still chugging along. A friend of mine recently upgraded to the t430u ultrabook and has been loving it. As far as laptops go I'm pretty sold on the thinkpad line for the foreseeable future.

I've got a 10 year old T-series (Think its a T21) in the cupboard. It did 7 years service for the original user for 4-5 hours a day. It was dropped and bashed around regularly.

I only keep it because it has a real serial and parallel port but its still going strong!

Re: Lenovo splits the Think brand into a separate group

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The best they could do is ditch Thinkpad brand for their consumer grade machines (SL , R ). T and X series are Thinkpads. The rest- not so much. SL and R series "Thinkpads" are rubbish, imo. Not to mention the cheap Ideapad's- the build quality is on par with pretty much every other cheap notebook manufacturers.

Don't forget the W mobile workstations.

Yup. I've got a W520 at work and its absolutely amazing. Fast, decent screen and even with a quad core i7 has decent battery life and even when being taxed is cool enough on the underside to use directly on my lap.

Re: Lenovo splits the Think brand into a separate group

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same way. The ThinkPad is the only computer that could potentially tempt me away from my MacBook. So far I'm stuck to OS X though (dreaming of Arch minimalism).

Arch is a maintenance nightmare if you want to be productive.

I'm puzzled by this comment. Arch values elegance, code correctness, and minimalism. Initially Arch installs a very minimal base system, and package management is done via rolling release.

Perhaps you should explain exactly how Arch is a "maintenance nightmare."

Re: Lenovo splits the Think brand into a separate group

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post #10

The best they could do is ditch Thinkpad brand for their consumer grade machines (SL , R ). T and X series are Thinkpads. The rest- not so much. SL and R series "Thinkpads" are rubbish, imo. Not to mention the cheap Ideapad's- the build quality is on par with pretty much every other cheap notebook manufacturers.

Both SL and R-series have been discontinued for more than two generations already. The current ThinkPad series aimed at small businesses are the ThinkPad Edge (E-series) and L-series, the second one of them isn't supposedly that bad. You are also forgetting the W-series, which is the most expensive and which came from the T-series performance models aimed as an portable workstation. Besides that, R-series weren't bad at all, the latest generations were pretty much the same as T-series.

Re: Lenovo splits the Think brand into a separate group

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post #11

I hope this doesn't mean further abandoning the Thinkpad design values (centered around excellence in functional design) to compete on the ones that Apple has been so successful on (excellence in visual design). If they do they won't win and will mess up an excellent and unique brand in the process. They've already started down this road IMO, dropping their near-perfect keyboard for a trendy chiclet one in the x230.…

The older ThinkPad keyboard design is the example I thought of immediately. The classic ThinkPads had keyboards designed for people who touch type— they were supremely functional. Not a "buckling spring" IBM Model M keyboard— they use foam rubber under the keys like all other modern keyboards, I suspect—but still more responsive and better for people like me who don't need to look at the keyboard when programming or writing. Now they've replaced their time-tested, solid keyboards for Mac-style "chiclet" keys. Agreed; it's just not the same.

Re: Lenovo splits the Think brand into a separate group

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post #18

Great idea. This will save the following thing happening again and again: 1. Someone asks me for a laptop recommendation. 2. I tell them "ThinkPad T-series" and state you can get them online for the price of a mid-range laptop in a retail outfit from http://www.lenovo.com/ with a direct link to the product page - they say thank you. 3. Some time passes 4. I get a call from the person saying they bought a "Lenovo" lap…

Yep, an exercise in classic brand fragmentation on their part. Better avoided. This move can only help. I hope it reduces confusion about their professional ThinkPad products.

Re: Lenovo splits the Think brand into a separate group

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had an IBM era T43 for a while and currently have a T60 that's almost as old as Lenovo's take over of the brand, and it's still chugging along. A friend of mine recently upgraded to the t430u ultrabook and has been loving it. As far as laptops go I'm pretty sold on the thinkpad line for the foreseeable future.

I've got a 10 year old T-series (Think its a T21) in the cupboard. It did 7 years service for the original user for 4-5 hours a day. It was dropped and bashed around regularly. I only keep it because it has a real serial and parallel port but its still going strong!

I used a T60 as a second monitor for my main laptop and an X40 as my travel laptop. Together they cost well under $150 and I could probably sell them today for what I paid for them. Great machines (although the T60 has a fan speed problem that I fixed with some third party software--without the fix it would be so annoying as to be unusable for me.)

Re: Lenovo splits the Think brand into a separate group

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post #24
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arch is a maintenance nightmare if you want to be productive.

I'm puzzled by this comment. Arch values elegance, code correctness, and minimalism. Initially Arch installs a very minimal base system, and package management is done via rolling release. Perhaps you should explain exactly how Arch is a "maintenance nightmare."

When I used Arch last year, they also regularly break things in ways that require manual fixes every month or so. So don't dare update without first reading the news, lest you end up with a broken system and no way to find out why it broke. Stick with Debian or Ubuntu if its your main laptop OS.

Re: Lenovo splits the Think brand into a separate group

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I think this is a good idea. Thinkpads have evolved to a point where - regardless of IBM or Lenovo being the brand behind the product line - the name is a synonym of dependability and quality. I think that by separating the brand from the rest of the Lenovo pack, and giving it it's own two feet they might steal quite a bit of Apple's customers. I went from my own homemade machines, to exclusively Apple hardware, to o…

I feel the same way. The ThinkPad is the only computer that could potentially tempt me away from my MacBook. So far I'm stuck to OS X though (dreaming of Arch minimalism).

You could easily get a cheap 420 or 520 and try it out for a while. The only thing that I'll be keeping a mac mini I have in the corner of the desk for is photoshop to be honest. Why are you stuck on OSX if I may ask?
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