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College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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Go to a state school if you live in the US. It's cheaper and you are more likely to encounter professors who are interested in teaching, rather than their classes being a distraction from research and getting published.

I'm not saying that professors aren't interested in teaching at state schools, but I have found that pressure is as high or higher for professors to publish.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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Im 16 and I dropped out of school to go learn CS at a university (tau.ac.il). 1. Some of the professors are not interested in teaching- they do it because they have to. They rarely answer questions and go way to fast over the material. 2. We have to take many math courses. I was very interested in math until I got to university. Why? Because if you have a bad teacher you cant learn a lot. 3. Out of the about 300 peop…

In university I made a lot of friends in the CS common room (and unfortunately played too many card games) and that helped me a lot. I became friends with some older CS students and they were sort of mentors to me.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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post #17

Im 16 and I dropped out of school to go learn CS at a university (tau.ac.il). 1. Some of the professors are not interested in teaching- they do it because they have to. They rarely answer questions and go way to fast over the material. 2. We have to take many math courses. I was very interested in math until I got to university. Why? Because if you have a bad teacher you cant learn a lot. 3. Out of the about 300 peop…

I'm going to go out on a limb, and guess that you're in your first year. Stick it out -- the first year is the worst. The classes are large, the students are just exploring (and aren't "interested"), the professors are teaching boring introductory courses, and no one is particularly inspired.

Stick through this part, and you'll find that things rapidly become more challenging and interesting.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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post #17

Im 16 and I dropped out of school to go learn CS at a university (tau.ac.il). 1. Some of the professors are not interested in teaching- they do it because they have to. They rarely answer questions and go way to fast over the material. 2. We have to take many math courses. I was very interested in math until I got to university. Why? Because if you have a bad teacher you cant learn a lot. 3. Out of the about 300 peop…

Do the following:

1. Find one person who is moderately competent. When you study, study with him. You both study a topic or chapter seated beside each other. Then you discuss the chapter to see if you both understood it the same way. If yes, proceed to the next chapter. If no, discuss some more and try to work out what the prof meant. If you do not understand it, skip the chapter and move on. Sometimes it gets clearer later.

2. For some subjects, it's better to read material that is not specific to the subject. For example, let's say you want to understand electronics. If you buy an electronics book, you will have to go through 100 pages of theoretical stuff that is difficult to understand. You will lose interest and you cannot learn it well. A solution would be to buy a physics book that uses electronics as an example (Physics for Electrical Engineers, for example). This book will explain the electronics as quickly and as efficiently as possible, so that they can focus on physics. This gives you a high level understanding that you can then use to understand the denser material.

3. If you have an exam that you have to pass in a short amount of time, work backwards. Take the old exam questions, and study the theory for each question till you understand enough to solve and understand the problem correctly. Do this for a wide range of questions, and this fills in your theoretical knowledge piece by piece, like a crossword puzzle. It's not a good way to learn, but it's an efficient way of passing and exam.

The best way of succeeding in school is by hanging out with the people who want to succeed at school.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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post #17

Im 16 and I dropped out of school to go learn CS at a university (tau.ac.il). 1. Some of the professors are not interested in teaching- they do it because they have to. They rarely answer questions and go way to fast over the material. 2. We have to take many math courses. I was very interested in math until I got to university. Why? Because if you have a bad teacher you cant learn a lot. 3. Out of the about 300 peop…

One of the first skills that I developed in grad school was how to learn the material even when the professor hates teaching or has no talent for it. Teaching yourself things outside of school, where there are no professors, is even harder.

Be grateful for the good teachers you have, but don't let the bad ones slow you down. You can be successful despite them.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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The main reason I'm usually not a huge fan of the college-no-college discussions is because they're "big identity" discussions ( http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html ). Most readers of this site made a choice when they were kids or very near to it and the position that they defend tends to reflect the choice, well informed or otherwise, that they made then.

Good point. Did anyone do one or the other and regret it?

I did a year of Uni and it was pretty much a wasted year, although I don't regret it. I wouldn't be who I am if I hadn't done it.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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post #3

The main reason I'm usually not a huge fan of the college-no-college discussions is because they're "big identity" discussions ( http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html ). Most readers of this site made a choice when they were kids or very near to it and the position that they defend tends to reflect the choice, well informed or otherwise, that they made then.

Good point. Did anyone do one or the other and regret it?

I did two years. It wasn't worth the cost. I wish I had used the money to elongate my runway (if you know what I mean).

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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I think everyone overlooks the value of finding co-founders and ideas at top universities.

I do not have any experience at a state school, but I would posit that it is worth paying the premium for an Ivy just to meet some of the kids. I have often had this discussion of whether it was worth going to college with my friends. As I am from a small town and they are from different countries all around the world, we would have had no connection with each other. Additionally, the alumni base has helped me talk to tech CEOs and venture capitalists as an 18-year old.

Even though I think the classes are pretty much worthless for long-term success, the extracurriculars and connections you meet during your four-year experience are the shaping factors.

Re: College vs Start-up - It's not about the job

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This is the exact situation I'm in. I'm 18, a high school senior, and am absolutely certain that I want to found a web company. However, I know that were I just to thrust myself into the world right now, I'd always be kicking myself because I didn't have a basic liberal arts education. While a knowledge of philosophy or political history isn't critical to what I will be doing business-wise later in life, I have a feeling that it will be critical to letting me feel like a whole person.
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