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Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by nolok »

_s_a_m_ wrote: post #10
rdtsc wrote: post #9

I wonder when/if we’ll see Gemini beating Fable and Astra. Last year I would have confidently bet Google will overtake the others just because they have the data, the hardware (TPUs) and a fat advertising money pipe and yet they are still behind. Anyone anonymous at Google want to hint when Gemini 4 will be out?

If Google didnt have their ad buisness theiy'd be out by now. They're like BlackBerry and Nokia at this point almost.

Not sure what your comment mean in the context of parent's comment.

As opposed to what, them not having it and burning money that isn't their instead like openai and anthropic? At least Google is feeding itself instead of having to create a bubble to stay alive

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by hajile »

tiahura wrote: post #14

Ensure transparency with SynthID watermarking All audio generated by our AI products is watermarked with SynthID. This imperceptible watermark is woven directly into the audio output, ensuring AI-generated content remains detectable to help prevent misinformation. For details on our approach to safety and responsibility, review the model card.

It’s little to do with misinformation and much to do with trying to keep their model from collapsing from ingesting too much slop.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by lostmsu »

So I am building a voice assistant to control AI harnesses, and recently tried switching from GLM 5.3 Flash to Gemini 3.8 Flash because of higher tok/s and better rate limits. Before that I also used Kimi K3 and DeepSeek-V4-Flash-0731.

Let me tell you unlike every other mentioned model Gemini 3.8 Flash trial had to be reverted the same day. Instead of simply delegating tasks it would invent additional requirements and implementation details it knew nothing about and no amount of convincing not to do it would work. That's the first time a model failed on me so spectacularly despite having practically same Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index as another model that just worked (and higher than working DS Flash).

The reason I think it is relevant is: Live is likely even stupider model in every way possible (except hearing better than separate STT). So beware using it for agentic scenarios.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by password54321 »

bronlund wrote: post #17

They should just give up at this point, it's just embarrassing to watch. As PrimeTime said; these are the guys that invented the 'T' in 'GPT', that deployed their first TPU in 2015, that is using billions on AI - and they are beaten by 300 people startup named Moonshot AI even. People are going to write books about this complete fumble.

None of the startups are profitable. What exactly are they getting beaten at?

My advice is to listen less to brainrot 'influencers' that optimise for engagement through sensationalism.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by mvdtnz »

My Gemini app is still stuck at 3.5 Flash-lite and 3.6 Flash so I truly don't understand how Google rolls this stuff out. I don't use Gemini for anything serious so I'm not going to use the API, but it's my go-to for just searching basic information (replacing google search) because it's so darn fast.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by samuelknight »

I have been looking for a model that's good for GUI testing. Original computer use isn't right because it's a slow screenshot loop, which doesn't capture transition and animation. Docs says this one does up to 1 FPS. That might be fast enough. If not now, we must be within a few months of high enough sample rates to do it.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by verdverm »

nolok wrote: post #21
_s_a_m_ wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Google didnt have their ad buisness theiy'd be out by now. They're like BlackBerry and Nokia at this point almost.

Not sure what your comment mean in the context of parent's comment. As opposed to what, them not having it and burning money that isn't their instead like openai and anthropic? At least Google is feeding itself instead of having to create a bubble to stay alive

Google spent most of their cash, they are now taking loans for data centers too. They recorded their first quarter of negative cash flows ever

Re: Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

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Post by bronlund »

password54321 wrote: post #25
bronlund wrote: post #17

They should just give up at this point, it's just embarrassing to watch. As PrimeTime said; these are the guys that invented the 'T' in 'GPT', that deployed their first TPU in 2015, that is using billions on AI - and they are beaten by 300 people startup named Moonshot AI even. People are going to write books about this complete fumble.

None of the startups are profitable. What exactly are they getting beaten at? My advice is to listen less to brainrot 'influencers' that optimise for engagement through sensationalism.

Intelligence.

They have "unlimited" resources and has researched AI since the very beginning - PageRank is a form of AI even. And still, Gemini is behind Claude, GPT, Grok, Muse, GLM, Kimi and is maybe on par with DeepSeek?

As I said, it is embarrassing.

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