Does it matter who gets the credit at this point? Both used AI to do 99%+ of the work. So... do machines have ego?
How An AI math breakthrough ignited a controversy
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#23OpenAI’s behavior here — even if you only consider [their] side of the story — was (at best) in bad taste.
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#24The core section: > However, communications quickly became contentious. According to Buckmaster, OpenAI offered to give him sole authorship on the Navier-Stokes solution—but only if Alpöge’s name was removed from the work and if the write-up would acknowledge the problem had been resolved by an internal OpenAI model. Buckmaster refused, in part because he was troubled by the question of what OpenAI's system had actua…
Well yeah, if you use the free product they train on your data, ... I thought this was widely understood?
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#25And the AI company for making the search program that searched through the data and found the solution.
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#26My impression: the re-aristocratization of scientific research seems inevitable.
In any case mathematics is humanity's oldest open source project going on for millenia, it never belonged to a single country, institution or class.
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#27Does it matter who gets the credit at this point? Both used AI to do 99%+ of the work. So... do machines have ego?
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#28The core section: > However, communications quickly became contentious. According to Buckmaster, OpenAI offered to give him sole authorship on the Navier-Stokes solution—but only if Alpöge’s name was removed from the work and if the write-up would acknowledge the problem had been resolved by an internal OpenAI model. Buckmaster refused, in part because he was troubled by the question of what OpenAI's system had actua…
> While unlikely, we cannot rule out that de-identified data derived from [Buckmaster and Alpöge’s] usage of our products helped improve our models. Well yeah, if you use the free product they train on your data, ... I thought this was widely understood?
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#29Moving forward, I can't imagine other mathematicians wanting to have this kind of experience. So there has to be a shift away from these services.
If you mean move to products with ZDR policies, OK, very fair and I agree. If you're talking the equivalent of carpenters should give up pneumatic air guns because hammers are more authentic, then that's silly. These are tools, and like any tool how effective they are can come down to how well you use them.
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#30Moving forward, I can't imagine other mathematicians wanting to have this kind of experience. So there has to be a shift away from these services.
That said... most of us are not working on problems as famous as Navier-Stokes. Even if OpenAI could scoop me based on my back-and-forth with ChatGPT, which I presume they could if they threw $15 million worth of compute at it, I highly doubt they'd bother.