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FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by president_zippy »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #20
teruakohatu wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is disappointing, time to migrate from yet another was-open-source-now-only-technically-open-source software. At work the trend is only adopt open source on a paid plan, adopting or relying on open source otherwise is just waiting for the rug to be pulled. Essentially treat open source as closed source. How did we end up with this state of affairs?

Why is it not enough to give you all of their code for free? Why do they also have obligations and expectations beyond that? The entitlement never ends! > At work the trend is only adopt open source on a paid plan, adopting or relying on open source otherwise is just waiting for the rug to be pulled. "Won't do free labour for our commercial enterprise to profit off of forever" is a rug pull now? It's incredible that…

You didn't deserve to be downvoted to hell and back. People deserve to be paid for their work, and without copyright law only mega-cap companies would ever be able to capture enough value from their work to survive.

People act like you're saying Disney should be able to hold a copyright on Mickey Mouse for over 100 years.

Calling it a "rug pull" when the creator of an open source project decides to stop giving away future work for free is a delusional level of self-entitlement.

(1) The previous releases are still open source. If you don't like it, fork the last free release and maintain it yourself.

(2) People deserve whatever the market is willing to pay for their work. See above.

Frankly, if D. Richard Hipp decided to stop giving away future versions of SQLite for free, I would be the first person to congratulate him for finally having the courage to put his foot down and say "my fellow committers and I deserve at least a few million dollars for 20 years of work making something that billions of machines rely upon."

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by a1o »

magicalhippo wrote: post #16
inventor7777 wrote: post #3

AT first I was very confused, then I realized that this is building on TrueNAS CORE, and not TrueNAS SCALE. Makes much more sense now!

And for those still confused, CORE is FreeBSD-based and has been discontinued, while SCALE is Debian-based and the version that will be developed by TrueNAS going forwards. Hence the "continued" part in the title.

Ha interesting, any idea why the FreeBSD variant was discontinued? This was one of the projects I always associated with FreeBSD.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by a2ff6eeb0 »

teruakohatu wrote: post #9
mtlynch wrote: post #5

Worth noting that TrueNAS recently stopped publishing their build scripts, intentionally making it harder to build their open source code.[0] [0] https://forums.truenas.com/t/clearing-the-air-on-build-scrip...

This is disappointing, time to migrate from yet another was-open-source-now-only-technically-open-source software. At work the trend is only adopt open source on a paid plan, adopting or relying on open source otherwise is just waiting for the rug to be pulled. Essentially treat open source as closed source. How did we end up with this state of affairs?

Nobody wants to fund it.

But, at this point, AI makes code cheap enough that I would just fork the open source software and maintain it, instead of paying for a third party. Heck, even with saas, I may clone internally.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by a2ff6eeb0 »

a1o wrote: post #22
magicalhippo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And for those still confused, CORE is FreeBSD-based and has been discontinued, while SCALE is Debian-based and the version that will be developed by TrueNAS going forwards. Hence the "continued" part in the title.

Ha interesting, any idea why the FreeBSD variant was discontinued? This was one of the projects I always associated with FreeBSD.

Chasing dockerized enterprise customers.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by sbseitz »

a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #7

This seems nice. FreeBSD always seemed nicer than Linux, though now that Linux is being developed by LLMs and Torvalds is vibe-coding, I wonder if they'll be able to keep up.

FreeBSD is different but i'd certainly not call it nicer, at least in the past 15 years.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by Brian_K_White »

Grombobulous wrote: post #15
teruakohatu wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is disappointing, time to migrate from yet another was-open-source-now-only-technically-open-source software. At work the trend is only adopt open source on a paid plan, adopting or relying on open source otherwise is just waiting for the rug to be pulled. Essentially treat open source as closed source. How did we end up with this state of affairs?

Oftentimes the alternative is migrating to one dying or unstable zero-funding open source project to the next. Which path you go down depends on a lot of factors of that particular piece of software. Can I trust FreeCORE to be a stable, secure project that hangs on to my NAS data if it’s an unfunded fork? Or would it be better to give up some openness for something like TrueNAS SCALE? When it comes to stuff like Prox…

Regardless the estimated quality of the new thing, there is a point and a value in penalizing the old thing when it fails to adhere to principles.

One must have principles onesself to see this as imortant though.

A lot of people use words like "practical" or "pragmatic" to avoid inconvenience.

I've already been using zVault for a year which is a fork of the last truenas core, but it never got any further updates and it's about to become impossible to run up to date software in jails on the old host. The pkg repos that support the host version are about to go eol and the binaries will be gone. So I've already gone through the "what if this doesn't go anywhere?"

My point: It's a pain but I won't relieve that pain by running trunas scale.

I'd rather try switching to xigmanas or dump the whole concept of the front end and just run plain freebsd and learn a few commands to manage storage and file services directly and a maybe a seperate dedicated jail manager like bastille. At least that way I can never be stuck in this position again where I can't update my own software because someone else stopped updating their software.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by sbseitz »

a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #11
inventor7777 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I understand, Torvalds said that he is not going to oppose all AI-generated improvements to Linux, not that he's vibe coding new kernel modules for fun.

Torvalds is mostly merging code in the kernel, not writing modules. He claims he's a manager now: https://www.zdnet.com/article/open-source-summit-linus-torva... But he's very pro-ai, though, and is vibe closing other projects like https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Vide-Coding Linux is definitely going to speed up as it starts to get vibe coded. In a few years, I bet that it's all going to be built with ag…

Imagine calling Linus a vibe coder... go look up the definition and then re-evaluate your statement.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by Brian_K_White »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #20
teruakohatu wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is disappointing, time to migrate from yet another was-open-source-now-only-technically-open-source software. At work the trend is only adopt open source on a paid plan, adopting or relying on open source otherwise is just waiting for the rug to be pulled. Essentially treat open source as closed source. How did we end up with this state of affairs?

Why is it not enough to give you all of their code for free? Why do they also have obligations and expectations beyond that? The entitlement never ends! > At work the trend is only adopt open source on a paid plan, adopting or relying on open source otherwise is just waiting for the rug to be pulled. "Won't do free labour for our commercial enterprise to profit off of forever" is a rug pull now? It's incredible that…

They do not give all of the code. If you have an object, and don't have everything needed to reproduce the object, then you have not been given the source to the object.

And with BSD licenced code this is their right.

And it's my and anyone else's right to observe all of this and criticize it.

Re: FreeCORE TrueNAS Core – Continued

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Post by _0xdd »

In ~2017 I ditched FreeNAS when my FreeNAS Mini died from the Atom C2000 hardware failure. iXSystems was great about getting me a replacement board, but I decided when I rebuilt the system to just use FreeBSD and get used to command-line only administration. That directly lead to me learning pf, jails, bhyve, etc. Yeah, I don't have any fancy web UI, but I've had a rock solid system for almost 10 years with Samba + NFS running without issue.
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