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Re: Bootstrap 3.0 Upcoming changes

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Post by phinnaeus »

nosecreek wrote: post #12
jedireza wrote: post #5

> Dropped all things fluid. We removed the fluid grid system, fluid container, and fluid layout. Damn. That is very handy when you want to have even sub columns inside of an odd-sized parent column.

I was worried when I saw this, but the very next bullet point is: >Overhauled default grid system. Now uses percentage widths, padding, and box-sizing: border-box instead of pixel widths and margins. Nesting and offsets remain the same. Which sounds like they are actually making everything fluid, and removing fixed widths. Perhaps a good thing, although border-box means no IE7 support.

They also removed all IE7 specific CSS hacks. IE7 will no longer be supported at all.

Re: Bootstrap 3.0 Upcoming changes

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Post by untog »

hackerboos wrote: post #11

How about dropping support for LESS and using SASS instead?

You mean, "how about re-engineering the entire project for little benefit"? LESS vs SASS is one of the more infuriating "this vs that" argument circling the web right now, because everyone is so inexplicably vocal and passionate about it.

Looks like there is already a SASS port:

https://github.com/thomas-mcdonald/bootstrap-sass

Re: Bootstrap 3.0 Upcoming changes

#23

Post by josscrowcroft »

dharbin wrote: post #13
steferson wrote: post #2

Really sad they are dropping support for IE7 unfortunately I will not be upgrading to this version then.

_this_. And why drop support for FF 3.6 too? Is there a technical reason to drop support for older browsers or is it idealism?

When was the last time anybody used FF 3.6?

Serious question.

Re: Bootstrap 3.0 Upcoming changes

#24

Post by josscrowcroft »

bluetidepro wrote: post #8

I don't think I saw it on the doc, but is there a projected release date for 3.0? It sounds like there is some pretty awesome updates coming, even though they seem more "back-end" related.

+7 votes for a rough release date. Working on a new project which would benefit greatly from using 3.0... for the meantime, I suppose we just use the bleeding edge version and extend it in a separate CSS file, then keep the base bootstrap CSS up to date.

Re: Bootstrap 3.0 Upcoming changes

#25

Post by RossM »

phinnaeus wrote: post #19
jonpaul wrote: post #17

"Dropped all things fluid." What are the implications of this? I'm not a web designer, so does that mean that we have to have fixed-width pages? Won't that make it harder to design web apps? Will someone help to clear up my misunderstanding?

The also redid their scaffolding model (grid system) to use percent widths instead of pixel widths, so it seems like the default (and only option) will be for things to behave like the old fluid layouts did.

However I am not looking forward to removing all the row-fluid/container-fluids in my templates.

Re: Bootstrap 3.0 Upcoming changes

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Post by josscrowcroft »

phinnaeus wrote: post #19
jonpaul wrote: post #17

"Dropped all things fluid." What are the implications of this? I'm not a web designer, so does that mean that we have to have fixed-width pages? Won't that make it harder to design web apps? Will someone help to clear up my misunderstanding?

The also redid their scaffolding model (grid system) to use percent widths instead of pixel widths, so it seems like the default (and only option) will be for things to behave like the old fluid layouts did.

Yup, and then if you need specific pixel widths on anything, you specify them yourself. E.g. a fixed width page, you'd need `body { width:950px }` or etc.

Re: Bootstrap 3.0 Upcoming changes

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Post by tbassetto »

bluetidepro wrote: post #4
steferson wrote: post #2

Really sad they are dropping support for IE7 unfortunately I will not be upgrading to this version then.

I don't think it would be THAT hard to add back in support for IE7. Also, I'm sure that not long after the release someone will make a forked version that supports IE7, since so many of us still need to support IE7.

In fact, it will be hard! They will use `box-sizing: border-box;`, which changes everything about width calculation and IE7 does not support this property.

Re: Bootstrap 3.0 Upcoming changes

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Post by josscrowcroft »

phinnaeus wrote: post #21
nosecreek wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was worried when I saw this, but the very next bullet point is: >Overhauled default grid system. Now uses percentage widths, padding, and box-sizing: border-box instead of pixel widths and margins. Nesting and offsets remain the same. Which sounds like they are actually making everything fluid, and removing fixed widths. Perhaps a good thing, although border-box means no IE7 support.

They also removed all IE7 specific CSS hacks. IE7 will no longer be supported at all.

Obviously this is particular to each site's visitor demographics, but the only IE7-specific CSS my sites need would be something along the lines of:

    #ie-warning {
        display:none;
    }
    
    html.ie7 #ie-warning {
        display:block;
    }

Re: Bootstrap 3.0 Upcoming changes

#29

Post by nathanstrauser »

nosecreek wrote: post #12
jedireza wrote: post #5

> Dropped all things fluid. We removed the fluid grid system, fluid container, and fluid layout. Damn. That is very handy when you want to have even sub columns inside of an odd-sized parent column.

I was worried when I saw this, but the very next bullet point is: >Overhauled default grid system. Now uses percentage widths, padding, and box-sizing: border-box instead of pixel widths and margins. Nesting and offsets remain the same. Which sounds like they are actually making everything fluid, and removing fixed widths. Perhaps a good thing, although border-box means no IE7 support.

same thoughts here - worried, then optimistic as it should actually be a more simple syntax to create nested grids - would be really nice if you'd be able to do a project wide removal of "-fluid" and it all just works the same

Re: Bootstrap 3.0 Upcoming changes

#30

Post by TillE »

steferson wrote: post #2

Really sad they are dropping support for IE7 unfortunately I will not be upgrading to this version then.

IE8 runs on XP, though. Just about every Windows computer still in operation should have IE8 installed, for security reasons if nothing else.
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