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Exploring Claude/GPT Knowledge Cutoffs and Pre-Training Timelines

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Re: Exploring Claude/GPT Knowledge Cutoffs and Pre-Training Timelines

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Great read and interesting analysis! I’m less charitable toward Anthropic supposedly not distilling ChatGPT for training purposes. Maybe not today, but during the GPT-4 era when Anthropic was the underdog - I can see it happen. Packaged along with some of Amodei’s clever jumping through hoops to prove how that is, in fact, virtuous.

Distilling is only prohibited from chats you prompt. But there are lots in the open like the LMSYS Chatbot Arena data. It's a essentially one of the largest public sources of preference data, maybe still useful for boostraping RLHF and successor techniques (possibly a more highly educated contributor base than the low paid contractors), and was full of GPT-4-era inputs.

How is distilling prohibited? AFAIK, the input is mine, and the output is not copyrightable.

Re: Exploring Claude/GPT Knowledge Cutoffs and Pre-Training Timelines

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I wonder if this kind of analysis will give us a way to check if the frontier labs are waiting for the right moment to release their models. To me it feels obvious that these companies are not releasing models as soon as they are done doing their post training / testing with any new model. But there is no real way to know how much of this "waiting" any lab is doing, if we can get better estimates this way maybe we ca…

Given how competitive the space is any form of waiting seems like it has more downside than upside to me. If you have the new "best" model you may only have a few weeks of time in the market before some other lab releases a new model that beats yours. This means you should get it out ASAP so you can maximize the time during which your model is "best". Once your model isn't best any more you're going to lose a lot of…

I was about to "correct" you but then read the username - has the best model for agentic coding/sysadmin not just been Claude every single day since Opus 4.5 released last November?
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