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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by gaigalas »

root-parent wrote: post #15
gaigalas wrote: post #6

> Everyone will have an exceptionally capable personal agent that understands you, your goals, and everything you care about. "One machine for every man, woman and children of Zion. Sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me." Morpheus It's a joke. OR IS IT? Yes it is, don't worry about it.

Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.

Psalm 135:15-18 is my favorite version of it, the most clear-headed. It reads more as a warning "if you do this, then this will happen" than an unreasonable commandment.

The idols of the nations are silver and gold, made by human hands. They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see. They have ears, but cannot hear, nor is there breath in their mouths. Those who make them will be like them, and so will all who trust in them.

Don't worry about the scriptures though. It's likely to be just some old thinker pointing out the dangers of technologies of his time. No reason to believe those dangers carry over to today's technologies, probably.

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Post by moomin »

The truth is all frontier models are closed. This isn't even an open source vs open weights thing. Even if you accepted that open weights are "open" the capital requirements for running your own Kimi 3 model are significant. It's not like gcc, where the binary just works well enough on random hardware.

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Post by kylecazar »

ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

Most probably believe this is a good thing, but don't want to give Zuckerberg credit because a) he's had a profoundly negative impact on society and b) the strategy is transparent, he's trying to commoditize his closed rivals, it's not out of principle.

I personally think more open models are a good thing regardless of motive.

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Post by detourdog »

limagnolia wrote: post #19
root-parent wrote: post #13

Is going to take it one day at a time, on being a less evil bilionaire :-) "Zuckerberg faces questions over why superyacht reportedly declined to help stranded boat" - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/09/zuckerberg-s...

Reading the facts of this incident, it seems like much to do about nothing. The crew are saying that the request came in on a frequency they weren't monitoring (and apparently were not required to monitor.) The Coast Guard determined it was not an emergency. The criticism lies with those who failed to properly fuel their boat, not the crew who didn't respond to a request that came over a frequency they were not on. T…

Where did you find these facts you read. In the USA a good Captain monitors VHF channel 16. This channel is used for establishing communication. To not monitor this channel is a dereliction of duty.

I really doubt the USCG labeled a disabled vessel as a non-emergency. An immediate threat to life may not have existed but that is the difference between a pan pan and a mayday call.

A disabled vessel close to land can easily wind up on the rocks and sinking.

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Post by conception »

ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

I think it’s perfectly fine to call out people who intentionally harm children for money out in public in every possible situation.

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

moomin wrote: post #22

The truth is all frontier models are closed. This isn't even an open source vs open weights thing. Even if you accepted that open weights are "open" the capital requirements for running your own Kimi 3 model are significant. It's not like gcc, where the binary just works well enough on random hardware.

Deepseek V4 Flash works on consumer-grade hardware, and it's extremely good.

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Post by phoghed »

blharr wrote: post #16
gaigalas wrote: post #6

> Everyone will have an exceptionally capable personal agent that understands you, your goals, and everything you care about. "One machine for every man, woman and children of Zion. Sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me." Morpheus It's a joke. OR IS IT? Yes it is, don't worry about it.

Its weird to me that this is supposed to be THE end goal. Having an agent that does "everything" for you sounds like no paradise. It sounds depressing. Maybe there is value in expending effort and actual creativity.

Not sure why you’re talking about it doing literally everything for you. I’m sure you can imagine a scenario where it handles annoying things for you and leaves you free to do things you enjoy instead.

Maybe it gets 10 car insurance quotes for you based on 4 models of car you’re considering.

Or figures out which psychologists in some travel distance of you actually take your insurance, are taking new patients, and what availability they have.

I can think of a ton of scenarios where a capable and reliable AI agent could make my life simpler.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

> But this is an unquestionably good thing right?

Their efforts in open AI are by far the best thing Facebook/Meta have ever done. They opened the door to the Chinese, who are doing excellent work, and between them they are preventing the concentration of power and the rise of monopoly pricing. This is enough to absolve them of almost any sin. If I were a utilitarian, I'd unironically be a Zuckerberg fan right now.

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