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An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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in the way Elon Musk rivals government power, with his ownership and absolute power over a social media platform, satellite internet much more, sure.

But it doesn’t really rival government power, given that the government would most likely crush anything that truly tries to compete.

(and if you don’t have the power to compete, do you truly rival it?)

Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open weights deter capex? Who cares!? Nvidia isn't paying me to increase Openai's capex. I want tokens, not capex. Am I misconstruing the argument?

no it's people presenting "this is good for a handful of companies" as if it is the "desirable outcome for the general population" even if the final consequences seem rather bad for the general population and might even threaten democracy

The argument's so moronic I can't even follow it...

Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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post #13

The important meta-conclusion that the article sadly misses is that the government will soon be using AI to regulate AI.

Somehow I feel like this is already the case... How many government employees are already using AI to support their government functions and duties? I'm guessing that its most of them...

Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Friend of mine got a new job. He’s required to and only allowed to use Copilot (because muh trusted enterprise partner). He also has to pay for his subscription/usage out of pocket. Of course they didn’t tell him this until after on-boarding. The corpo fucks want their cake and to eat it too. That’s where we are headed. Having the privilege to pay to have a bot do our jobs for us.

I don't think this is legal?? It's like telling someone they have to drive none stop for their job but neither giving them a company car or nor a budget for it. (To be clear done and companies get away with it != legal. I know companies sometimes get away with exactly the example I named in some cases.)

It may not be legal, but somehow I don't doubt that it is happening... I recall several friends over the years being told to use their personal phones or personal computers for work when they were starting out in a new position...

Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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by this article's argument then government should be second to the power of Internet, telecom, electricity, and even water providers. Government can't do very much if the lights are off, communications don't work and the toilets don't flush. Yet all of those examples either live in fear of, are regulated by, the gov.

Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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post #18

Governments already use AI labs for surveillance, so, just the ownership will change, the victims will always be the citizens (Eg. see Flock cameras). Nothing gets better.

That is a really good point... maybe it will be similar to what happened to the defense sector, where major players swallowed all the minor ones, and then the major ones merged, and became almost embedded into the government afterwards. Both too big to fail and too powerful to leave unchecked (from the goverment's perspective).

Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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post #8

As Moises Naim says, these days power is easy to get, hard to use, easy to loose. As complexity/unpredictability rises in any system its natual that govt will shed power. We have already seen this with setting of interest rates. There is a long list of reasons why the Treasury Dept, President, House, Senate, Supreme Court or NASA doesnt get to set the rate. Why did they hand over that power to the central bank? Read…

Haven't read the article, but multiple times during my life I have had to research how to do things in a domain, and have come up against academia (both literature and people), who seemed to have formed an opinion on how to approach certain problems, and what sort of properties a desirable 'correct' solution should have. When I have dug into the reasoning of why things have to be this way, the arguments often devolved into a matter of taste, or the strength of justifications have weakened considerably.

Nevertheless, if one were to turn their backs on existing research, not only would they draw the ire of academics (idc that much), but also would have to do a lot of stuff from scratch themselves, which usually is quite the undertaking.

These flamewars are not uncommon in CS, and usually involve forces and intellects much bigger than mine, and we often end up looking back at viable things left behind in computing history, just because the mainstream decided to go a different way.

If we are to outsource thinking to AI models, we will outsource these consensus driven 'rational' decisions to them, and then AI companies will have a pretty large say on what 'correct' opinions will look like.

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