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Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Background: Meta/Facebook, Google and Apple all support age verification. It gives them legal cover and for their ad platforms gives better data.

But Meta/FB have been strongly lobbying to make it required at the OS level, so they aren't responsible for it, whereas Google and Apple both want it to be an application responsibility.

I think the CA version of this ended up with a carve-out for open source? I can't recall the details.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Background: Meta/Facebook, Google and Apple all support age verification. It gives them legal cover and for their ad platforms gives better data. But Meta/FB have been strongly lobbying to make it required at the OS level, so they aren't responsible for it, whereas Google and Apple both want it to be an application responsibility. I think the CA version of this ended up with a carve-out for open source? I can't recal…

> all support age verification

No, they all support harvesting your data so they can continue doing what they do best: building shadow profiles and targeting ads.

Nothing a signal of an age group tells them more than "send me more ads for XX year-olds".

Why do you think it's always a question asked in online surveys?

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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That's the correct way to do it. Age should be something reported by browser/os/hardware. Something similar to User-Agent. I really hope this will end the whole third party age verification farce.

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Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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That's the correct way to do it. Age should be something reported by browser/os/hardware. Something similar to User-Agent. I really hope this will end the whole third party age verification farce.

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> Might as well have the children strap red rotating lights to their heads so the predators can more easily identify them in a crowd where they would otherwise blend in

You... you think pedos can't identify children from their appearances alone? People really say the most random analogy for slightest chance to win online arguments...

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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> Might as well have the children strap red rotating lights to their heads so the predators can more easily identify them in a crowd where they would otherwise blend in You... you think pedos can't identify children from their appearances alone? People really say the most random analogy for slightest chance to win online arguments...

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Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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I disagree. The parents are the ones who should be supervising. The work should not be pushed off to OSS devs or random website operators. Facebook is bad, but I'd rather deal with one Facebook than kill 1000 normal sites with bad legislation.

> The parents are the ones who should be supervising. Ok. When Alice & Bob come home from school what steps should every parent take to supervise A&B's phone and device usage over the past 48 hours? Internet history, of course - for all the browsers, including those hidden away? But what if the logs are wiped or the second BraveFoxChrome installation isn't obvious? Must every parent have an IT degree? What if the par…

The same steps you take to make sure they are not smoking in a back alley on the way home.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Are they expecting parents to be held responsible when their kid gets given a laptop and doesn't put in the right age? Or is it just a best effort thing that "parents who want to" can opt in to and which mostly serves as a shield for online platforms who wave the "but age API said" flag whenever something sketch happens?

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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> The parents are the ones who should be supervising. Ok. When Alice & Bob come home from school what steps should every parent take to supervise A&B's phone and device usage over the past 48 hours? Internet history, of course - for all the browsers, including those hidden away? But what if the logs are wiped or the second BraveFoxChrome installation isn't obvious? Must every parent have an IT degree? What if the par…

> What if the parents are very good plumbers and car mechanics, should they also be expert in software design and installation? You know who else are not experts in software design and installation? Fossil politicians and slimy bureaucrats. Name one public sector state or local website that isn't utter garbage and a nightmare to use. Go ahead I'll wait. They need to get their sticky donut-eating fingers out of my per…

I renew my tabs online a few times a year. Site is state wide and works great. Take like five minutes and it's super manageable. Seattle city light works well and has a solid outage map when there's bad weather.

capitol.wa.gov is really informative and easy to use and looks nice.

Is three examples enough? You only asked for one. But I figured a few extra would help you.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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illogical hubris - no state can regulate the internet; no state can compel developers to write code. the court cases on this will be interesting

I think you'll find they don't have to compel you to write code. They can simply prevent you from doing something else if you don't meet an obligation. Many many industries have compliance obligations that compel speech. Therapists have to report certain things if they hear them. Managers have a duty to report. My restaurant time I was required to write temperature logs.

The idea that code can't be compelled to fit a shape by the government is goofball nonsense.

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