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Re: The AI Apocalypse Is Here

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Post by georgemcbay »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #9
d_silin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is deeply unsatisfying answer.

Why? To is basically true that someone will. 8+ billion humans on earth, someone will keep working. Kinda like nuclear bombs or similar.

> Kinda like nuclear bombs or similar.

...and AI progress is actually a much more difficult thing to control than nuclear proliferation...

Unlike nuclear bombs there is no rare difficult-to-process ingredient which you can practically limit the supply of, unless you are willing to retroactively outlaw computing devices broadly (after we have spent decades weaving them into the fabric of most people's day to day lives).

And even if you were willing to try that, how do you get global consensus retroactively? It is an impossible situation.

None of what I've written here should be seen as a defense of the people running large AI labs, I don't believe any of them are forces for positive good in the world, but it is just a fact that if they don't "do it" someone else will.

Re: The AI Apocalypse Is Here

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Post by esseph »

jryle70 wrote: post #19
d_silin wrote: post #4

The question to Sam and Dario would be: if the thing you are building is going do displace humanity, then why are you building it?

Why don't you ask the same question to China? See what their answer will be?

They would probably fear subjugation by a forgein AI.

Re: The AI Apocalypse Is Here

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Post by georgemcbay »

fnord77 wrote: post #16
rufasterisco wrote: post #14

> The obvious conservative response to a technology whose downsides are unfathomable is suppression, not encouragement. “Move fast and break things” might be an ethos conservatism can accept when the object being broken is the B2B SaaS status quo. But it cannot do so when the objects in question are human intelligence, sociability, agency, and existence. Hold on. I accept all the rethorical apocalyptic stuff, it come…

> It’s not really about “Meta is bad”. It’s recognising the fact that social media, spearheaded by Facebook has changed society and politics. Has Meta harmed society? Yes. Meta is bad.

> Yes. Meta is bad.

Meta is both bad and incompetent.

The world we live in is not a meritocracy. It never has been.

You can be bad and incompetent and still be wildly successful.

See also: Donald J Trump

Re: The AI Apocalypse Is Here

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Post by s1artibartfast »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #15
s1artibartfast wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is asked and answered constantly. The standard answer is that somebody else would do it

That is no excuse whatsoever. It turns out that immoral actions don't become acceptable if you go "someone else would do it if I didn't". Perhaps they would, but you're still a bad person if you do the bad thing.

But it does become moral if someone else would do it worse.

Some even say you have a moral obligation to do it in that case.

Re: The AI Apocalypse Is Here

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Post by nozzlegear »

jryle70 wrote: post #19
d_silin wrote: post #4

The question to Sam and Dario would be: if the thing you are building is going do displace humanity, then why are you building it?

Why don't you ask the same question to China? See what their answer will be?

Why don't you just tell us what you expect their answer would be, since you seem to think this is a revealing rhetorical question?

Re: The AI Apocalypse Is Here

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Post by piotrkaminski »

> Given what we have already seen of AI, we can be confident that its widespread adoption will create a less free society, a less virtuous people, and a degraded culture.

I think this claim needs stronger evidence than "we can be confident".

Re: The AI Apocalypse Is Here

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Post by simianwords »

d_silin wrote: post #4

The question to Sam and Dario would be: if the thing you are building is going do displace humanity, then why are you building it?

its ironic how no one needs to justify having abundance and freeing humans from the shackles of work. its no longer the wholesome chungus luxury space communism that we wanted is it?

Re: The AI Apocalypse Is Here

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Post by defrost »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #9
d_silin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is deeply unsatisfying answer.

Why? To is basically true that someone will. 8+ billion humans on earth, someone will keep working. Kinda like nuclear bombs or similar.

I guess then if Iran doesn't bomb all the data centres, somebody else will do it?

That does seem like a path forward, pity about the wasted resources that could have gone toward more pressing matters like climate.

Re: The AI Apocalypse Is Here

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Post by mrloopex »

georgemcbay wrote: post #23
fnord77 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s not really about “Meta is bad”. It’s recognising the fact that social media, spearheaded by Facebook has changed society and politics. Has Meta harmed society? Yes. Meta is bad.

> Yes. Meta is bad. Meta is both bad and incompetent. The world we live in is not a meritocracy. It never has been. You can be bad and incompetent and still be wildly successful. See also: Donald J Trump

He’s very competent at threatening republicans in congress who do not kiss his feet. Thats a skill. An evil skill. But a skill nonetheless.

Re: The AI Apocalypse Is Here

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Post by nextstep »

>China has not known freedom for some time, but citizens of the United States have a long experience of it.

One of those American beliefs presented without evidence because it’s just so obviously true, but what the fuck does this even mean? Exactly how are Americans more free?

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