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Amazon Is Creating the Biggest Pollution Source in the Country

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Re: Amazon Is Creating the Biggest Pollution Source in the Country

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Post by Grombobulous »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #20
Grombobulous wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A better question is why a company is allowed to effectively lie using fraudulent false advertising in its marketing and brand image about being environmentally conscious and become the largest polluter in the country? Is Amazon too broke to buy the necessary land to build out wind/solar/battery? I thought a company that name sponsored “Climate Pledge Arena” could afford to pay a little bit extra to care about the cl…

> Is Amazon too broke to buy the necessary land to build out wind/solar/battery? It's more capital intensive, and interest rates are 8%, because our elected officials are completely incompetent.

8% interest rates don’t seem to be a problem for financing all the data centers and AI hardware.

Amazon can afford to power their data centers with clean energy.

It’s not called “Climate Pledge But Only If It’s Less Capital Intensive Arena”

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Post by wat10000 »

synack wrote: post #7

Don't these things get more efficient as they scale up? One big plant is probably better than 30 small ones.

A bigger unit is generally more efficient, but this is a single plant with a bunch of units, and I don't know that the individual units are any bigger than they would be elsewhere.

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Post by wat10000 »

khimaros wrote: post #14
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

efficient in money, nothing is said about other metrics it's quite possible to have more product made, thus more pollution (or less materials consumed, thus less) but concentration definitely will rise

sometime in the energy sector once told me "the solution to pollution is dilution"

Which is nonsense. There's plenty of pollution that's been diluted as much as it possibly can be and is still problematic. CO2 is an obvious example. Or consider leaded gasoline or mercury. You have to be careful not to eat too much fish or you'll have trouble with the mercury in it. That's been diluted by the entire ocean and that didn't solve it.

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Post by lazide »

wat10000 wrote: post #23
khimaros wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sometime in the energy sector once told me "the solution to pollution is dilution"

Which is nonsense. There's plenty of pollution that's been diluted as much as it possibly can be and is still problematic. CO2 is an obvious example. Or consider leaded gasoline or mercury. You have to be careful not to eat too much fish or you'll have trouble with the mercury in it. That's been diluted by the entire ocean and that didn't solve it.

uh, that’s nonsense.

co2 is problematic because of concentration - the sheer volume.

leaded gas and mercury are a problem because of bio-concentration.

dilution still helps!

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Post by user43928 »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #20
Grombobulous wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A better question is why a company is allowed to effectively lie using fraudulent false advertising in its marketing and brand image about being environmentally conscious and become the largest polluter in the country? Is Amazon too broke to buy the necessary land to build out wind/solar/battery? I thought a company that name sponsored “Climate Pledge Arena” could afford to pay a little bit extra to care about the cl…

> Is Amazon too broke to buy the necessary land to build out wind/solar/battery? It's more capital intensive, and interest rates are 8%, because our elected officials are completely incompetent.

I am curious how renewables + battery compare here, if at all feasible.

I thought there was a gas turbine shortage?

Re: Amazon Is Creating the Biggest Pollution Source in the Country

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Post by neuronexmachina »

synack wrote: post #7

Don't these things get more efficient as they scale up? One big plant is probably better than 30 small ones.

If I understand correctly, for speed of deployment they're building a less-efficient simple-cycle plant (instead of the typical combined-cycle). Even though it's larger, the efficiency is worse than a typical natural gas plant.
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