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Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by ToValueFunfetti »

kingstnap wrote: post #10

Its always fun to try to read between the lines here to speculate why they are doing this. Maybe Luna efficiency gain was actually significant enough that putting all the free users and giving them super generous limits makes sense. They might be doing this to improve the messaging of AI among causal users since right now there is a huge amount of datacenter backlash in the US due to AI grievances. Maybe they have to…

Is this new behavior from them? I haven't looked at their free chat offering in a minute, but I thought they always had them close behind paid tier, often with essentially equal products that made it weird for them to sell the paid tier for chat.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by mkozlows »

ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #21
kingstnap wrote: post #10

Its always fun to try to read between the lines here to speculate why they are doing this. Maybe Luna efficiency gain was actually significant enough that putting all the free users and giving them super generous limits makes sense. They might be doing this to improve the messaging of AI among causal users since right now there is a huge amount of datacenter backlash in the US due to AI grievances. Maybe they have to…

Is this new behavior from them? I haven't looked at their free chat offering in a minute, but I thought they always had them close behind paid tier, often with essentially equal products that made it weird for them to sell the paid tier for chat.

No, free tier was total garbage with GPT-5.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by ilaksh »

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users.

This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud.

Which I think is a fair interpretation of the term. They are general purpose intelligence in that you can get help from them about almost anything. They are not like narrow single purpose AI models.

I don't think we need that term to mean "can completely emulate a human" or "can do every task any human on earth can do as well as them".

It also needs to be differentiated from ASI with godlike powers many times greater than human.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by pllbnk »

skybrian wrote: post #19
ElijahLynn wrote: post #9

I can't wait to never see a reasoning button ever again. Why do I have to reason about what reasoning level to use?

Some people want quick results. Some people want it to keep searching for a new math proof overnight without giving up, and they have money to burn. It seems like giving it a time limit or a budget in dollars would be clearer, though? Or, keep searching until I come back to the computer and ask about progress.

The _Intelligence_ part of AGI should be able to guide the user through that without all the knobs.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by redox99 »

colingauvin wrote: post #4

They must really be feeling the commoditization pressure. I'm not sure what the way out of this is, ChatGPT and Claude are still good products, but they are not necessarily premium products anymore. I expect a few things to happen in the next year: 1) Exclusive MCP server deals/API integrations 2) Significant switch to B2B marketing, even moreso than we've seen before, with API interfaces being paid and chat-client i…

I'm not sure I agree

1) Back then, even as a free user you'd be able to use the strongest model (even if with tight limits). Now, you need to pay to use Sol, and you need to pay to use Opus or Fable. It does seem fairly premium in that sense. Idk about 5.6 Luna, but the previous Instant was really bad, even for very casual users. It would hallucinate non stop.

2) When $100 and $200 per month plans launched, they were received as outrageous even here. Nowadays they are pretty common among power users.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by redox99 »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #9

I can't wait to never see a reasoning button ever again. Why do I have to reason about what reasoning level to use?

Because the model can't read your mind and know if you want a quick answer, or an hour long deep dive.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by timpera »

tosh wrote: post #2

free unlimited luna is a pretty badass move luna is very good

Any improvement to the ChatGPT free plan is really nice. It's easy to forget that most people have never used a SOTA model, and only think of their experience with GPT-4o or Google Search's AI Overviews when asked about AI.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by colingauvin »

redox99 wrote: post #25
colingauvin wrote: post #4

They must really be feeling the commoditization pressure. I'm not sure what the way out of this is, ChatGPT and Claude are still good products, but they are not necessarily premium products anymore. I expect a few things to happen in the next year: 1) Exclusive MCP server deals/API integrations 2) Significant switch to B2B marketing, even moreso than we've seen before, with API interfaces being paid and chat-client i…

I'm not sure I agree 1) Back then, even as a free user you'd be able to use the strongest model (even if with tight limits). Now, you need to pay to use Sol, and you need to pay to use Opus or Fable. It does seem fairly premium in that sense. Idk about 5.6 Luna, but the previous Instant was really bad, even for very casual users. It would hallucinate non stop. 2) When $100 and $200 per month plans launched, they were…

>1) Back then, even as a free user you'd be able to use the strongest model (even if with tight limits). Now, you need to pay to use Sol, and you need to pay to use Opus or Fable. It does seem fairly premium in that sense. Idk about 5.6 Luna, but the previous Instant was really bad, even for very casual users. It would hallucinate non stop.

This is kind of what I'm saying though. Bottom has fallen out, differentiation is just can you be much more premium than the competition. Currently that remains unanswered.

EDIT: I'm basing this off the assumption that for chat, premium is not a point of differentiation at all. For coding/analysis, it is.

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