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NHS apologises and admits Palantir have access to identifiable patient data

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Re: NHS apologises and admits Palantir have access to identifiable patient data

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Post by tcp_handshaker »

jpfromlondon wrote: post #4

>In all cases they do not have permission to use the data for their own purposes Oh, they don't have permission? probably fine then.

They are sharing it with several other customers of theirs but in a smart way, pretending is done via discovery of their ontology tool and for other countries also... You heard it here first.

I realized this by talking to several recently hired graduates at several startups. I was shocked at the amount of startups spending money on Palantir. It seems right now, every dumb founder with no idea or market fit, and a lot of dumb money is buying their tools.

There is a spending AI bubble, and then there is a parallel mini Palantir buy bubble...

Re: NHS apologises and admits Palantir have access to identifiable patient data

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Post by clydethefrog »

LRB had a great article about Palantir and the NHS in their latest issue. [1] What I mostly enjoyed reading is the insight that their actual software is quite "rubbish", something I have seen people mention in discussions here, especially in the early years of Palantir before it became more notorious and well-known. I do believe the "evil company" is part of their marketing to cover up that they are your usual proprietary software with a shitty UI and expensive contract that is being sold to clueless upper management.

[1] https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v48/n13/peter-geoghegan-and-...

Re: NHS apologises and admits Palantir have access to identifiable patient data

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Post by LtWorf »

happymellon wrote: post #16
LtWorf wrote: post #3

Many years ago I had a job offer in UK and a friend who was already living there who was very keen on me moving there. Honestly every single time there is news about UK, I am glad I didn't take the offer. Then again, me being already not very enthusiastic about the place had a role in my decision.

Because Palantir have government contracts? Seriously? You claim to be in Sweden, then you should surely know that Palantir are very much in bed with the government there including police monitoring.

At least you don't get arrested for protesting in the streets in sweden, unlike UK…

Re: NHS apologises and admits Palantir have access to identifiable patient data

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Post by LtWorf »

gambiting wrote: post #13
LtWorf wrote: post #3

Many years ago I had a job offer in UK and a friend who was already living there who was very keen on me moving there. Honestly every single time there is news about UK, I am glad I didn't take the offer. Then again, me being already not very enthusiastic about the place had a role in my decision.

I mean, it's all a matter of perspective and where you are coming from. Like, I could easily say that literally any piece of news coming from the US makes me not want to move there no matter how much money you pay me. But at the end of the day, it's just news. It's like that whole panic about London being the most surveiled city in the world with the most cameras per capita in the world - and of course neglecting to…

But hold a sign against the king and find out that the police has all the necessary information to find and arrest you :)

Re: NHS apologises and admits Palantir have access to identifiable patient data

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Post by numpad0 »

kotaKat wrote: post #14
numpad0 wrote: post #6

Is Palantir obsessed with medical records? If so why? This is worrying as there recently was a change in the Japanese PII law, relatively unceremoniously passed and enacted, that reclassify mass PII collection including medical data collection as anonymous and consent-free with the condition that anonymization is performed after collection, which, IMO, IANAL, completely nullify the PII law. I can easily "see" Palanti…

> Is Palantir obsessed with medical records? If so why? Daddy Thiel needs a bloodbank. The last one mysteriously died under the guise of a 'suicide'. https://www.inc.com/jeff-bercovici/peter-thiel-young-blood.h...

That's so stupid that it makes total sense. Why can't they just hit deep South Asian scam malls and order a few "pigs" if that's what they want... the whole thing is so low effort. Thanks.

Re: NHS apologises and admits Palantir have access to identifiable patient data

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

oliwarner wrote: post #18
jpfromlondon wrote: post #4

>In all cases they do not have permission to use the data for their own purposes Oh, they don't have permission? probably fine then.

While I agree, permission still means something. If they're found to have held onto it, processed it or shared it, they'll be told off very sternly and asked politely to not do it again.

Sternly? Hey hey hey, let's not go overboard here.

Re: NHS apologises and admits Palantir have access to identifiable patient data

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

gambiting wrote: post #9

So, what is going to happen now? Someone in the UK government goes "ooops, sorry" and Palantir gets to keep access to this data? Or are we just going to have another 10 year long enquiry of how exactly this happened that leads to no consequences for anyone while US company siphons up our personal info, again?

Nothing happens, is what happens.

Re: NHS apologises and admits Palantir have access to identifiable patient data

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Post by gambiting »

LtWorf wrote: post #25
gambiting wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it's all a matter of perspective and where you are coming from. Like, I could easily say that literally any piece of news coming from the US makes me not want to move there no matter how much money you pay me. But at the end of the day, it's just news. It's like that whole panic about London being the most surveiled city in the world with the most cameras per capita in the world - and of course neglecting to…

But hold a sign against the king and find out that the police has all the necessary information to find and arrest you :)

You mean like those few people arrested for disturbing peace during the Queen's funeral/coronation of the King?

Yeah, that shouldn't have happened and courts have generally agreed that it was a police overreach. But I can assure you that you can go around london protesting the King with whatever banner you want and you won't get arrested - in fact people do daily with no consequences.

And don't get me wrong - some of the laws around this are insane. But flattening the entire country to focus on one issue is like...not exactly fair? It's like me saying I won't ever move to Sweden because your public sector employees are required to report suspected illegal immigrants(even UK doesn't go that far!).

The "oh I won't take a job in the UK because someone got arrested protesting the king" is a stance, for sure - I just don't know if any country in the world would meet your high moral standard.

Re: NHS apologises and admits Palantir have access to identifiable patient data

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Post by LtWorf »

gambiting wrote: post #29
LtWorf wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But hold a sign against the king and find out that the police has all the necessary information to find and arrest you :)

You mean like those few people arrested for disturbing peace during the Queen's funeral/coronation of the King? Yeah, that shouldn't have happened and courts have generally agreed that it was a police overreach. But I can assure you that you can go around london protesting the King with whatever banner you want and you won't get arrested - in fact people do daily with no consequences. And don't get me wrong - some of…

> You mean like those few people arrested for disturbing peace during the Queen's funeral/coronation of the King?

I mean like those who asked for the permit to hold a protest, got the permit and then got arrested anyway… You'd think it was NK and instead…

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