Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta • Hacker News Board

Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta

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Post by alecsm » Fri, Jul 31, 2026, 6:32 PM UTC

KellyCriterion wrote: post #18

alecsm wrote: post #16

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So the problem is logistical. Ukraine has a major logistical problem holding a third of its territory, should they give it up? Also, again, using your argument. Why doesn't the US give away all its territory that they conquered during centuries? Do you think the Arabs that invaded northern Africa should also go back to where they belong? You sound like someone who has zero self awareness and even less history knowled…

Curious: If these two do not consider them as occupied, as what are they considered in their understading?

They are considered just Spain. Nothing more, nothing less.

Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta

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Post by cineticdaffodil » Sat, Aug 01, 2026, 6:35 AM UTC

KellyCriterion wrote: post #4

crbelaus wrote: post #3

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Ceuta is an integral part of Spain, not a “piece of imperial history”. It has belonged to Spain since 1580. That’s one century after the Spanish kingdoms unification and four centuries before Morocco existed as an independent state.

...and how does this lead to the statement that they still need to keep it today as their territory? Its a residue from the colonial history

Because if you compromise with mad ideologies you loose a hand..

Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta

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Post by cineticdaffodil » Sat, Aug 01, 2026, 6:36 AM UTC

vrganj wrote: post #6

alecsm wrote: post #5

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Because it is Spain, it's not a "territory they are keeping". Ceuta was Spanish before the US even existed.

Why is the US part of the consideration? How do you think it became Spain? Do you think some African dudes one day started saying "Hola, ahora somos Españoles?" Nah, some Portuguese guys with weapons showed up in 1415 (it was Portugal before becoming Spanish through marriage). You know what you call it when people with weapons expand their territory on other continents? Imperialism.

Arab colonialism?

Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta

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Post by cineticdaffodil » Sat, Aug 01, 2026, 6:41 AM UTC

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #7

vrganj wrote: post #2

Why does Spain hold on to this little piece of imperial history on another continent? Feels like asking for trouble...

I now realize how hypocritical it is for Spain to ask about Gibraltar to the UK while they still are keeping Ceuta in Morocco.

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Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta

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Post by cineticdaffodil » Sat, Aug 01, 2026, 6:55 AM UTC

vrganj wrote: post #2

Why does Spain hold on to this little piece of imperial history on another continent? Feels like asking for trouble...

Yeah, we should deport all those insane ideolouges of the west there from the countryside, call it utopia and leave them to it, like the likes of you left the cities once you destroyed them.

Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta

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Post by defrost » Sat, Aug 01, 2026, 6:57 AM UTC

cineticdaffodil wrote: post #24

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #7

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I now realize how hypocritical it is for Spain to ask about Gibraltar to the UK while they still are keeping Ceuta in Morocco.

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See: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta

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Post by torcete » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 7:54 PM UTC

breppp wrote: post #12

alecsm wrote: post #5

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Because it is Spain, it's not a "territory they are keeping". Ceuta was Spanish before the US even existed.

Algeria used to be France, not just a "territory they are keeping". So we have an overseas territory in another continent whose acquisition literally marked the beginning of the age of colonization. Sounds like a colony

It is not. It's an integral part of Spain, and their citizens have exactly the same rights than the rest of us. They also have representation at the parliament. Ceuta has been part of Spain before Morocco existed, there's no claim they can make. It even went back to Roman times, when the territory was called Mauritania Hispania. That included the Riff, so if anybody needs to return any territory that would be Morocco.

Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta

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Post by torcete » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 7:57 PM UTC

KellyCriterion wrote: post #19

alecsm wrote: post #13

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No. Ceuta and Melilla have been Spanish cities for centuries with 95% and 86% of Spanish population. How would you feel living where your family have been living forever and one day they tell you you're no longer Spanish, you're out of the EU and you live in Morocco. Is the US giving away Hawaii? Is Russia giving away its Asian territory? What about Turkey? Does Spain have to give away the Canary Islands too?

Wrong - see post above: -- Spain became a unified nation in 1492 after the union of the Crown of Castile and the Crown of Aragon. Ceuta was acquired "somehow around that time block", so its not true to say that Ceuta was always (ie "since ever") a part of Spain, since it was acquired shortly after the forming of Spain. --

And even before that, during Roman times, it was called Mauritania Hispania and it was considered part of Hispania. We are talking about millennia of history here backing up that Ceuta is part of Spain.