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Sperm Whales blow bubbles to achieve restful, vertical sleep

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Re: Sperm Whales blow bubbles to achieve restful, vertical sleep

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I have a question... how many other "normal" animal behaviors are actually weird little hacks to deal with constraints we never think about?

Probably all of the behaviors. Life is resource management of inputs and outputs, and every niche has unique constraints. Pure sexual selection can lead to interesting solutions, but are still grounded in constraints.

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I have a question... how many other "normal" animal behaviors are actually weird little hacks to deal with constraints we never think about?

Dolphins sleep with one hemisphere of the brain at a time.

Sharks never stop swimming because it’s the only way they can move water over their gills.

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The title of the original article [1] is a lot more clear: Buoyancy regulation through modulation of onboard gas volume by resting sperm whales They don't "blow bubbles" to sleep vertically, they vent gas to regulate their specific gravity. This allows them to sleep vertically below the surface. The scientists measured the gas release by listening for bubbles, but they did a lot more: they actually modeled the buoyan…

I think this is just the eternal tension between catchy headlines and the underlying science

Indeed.

This isn't a particularly bad case. I think both are often useful, and this headline isn't wrong, I just assumed the bubbles had some direct use and found the scientific title more clear there.

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> It is particularly fascinating they are able to make these fine-scale adjustments while they are thought to be asleep, a challenge totally alien to terrestrial mammals like us humans.

While fascinating it’s not surprising. The vegetative nervous system does a LOT of things on autopilot. I think most people have no idea how many things their body regulates permanently that are actually technically difficult (orientation is particularly hard) and the lower brain stems just wing it.

For me this is a classic case of associating intelligence only with conscious awareness when there’s many other ways how we (and other animals) are “clever” even if we don’t know it at first ;)

Re: Sperm Whales blow bubbles to achieve restful, vertical sleep

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post #15

I have a question... how many other "normal" animal behaviors are actually weird little hacks to deal with constraints we never think about?

Dolphins sleep with one hemisphere of the brain at a time. Sharks never stop swimming because it’s the only way they can move water over their gills.

This is only true of some sharks. And of the ones that it is true there's examples of them stopping in places where the current runs enough water through their gills to breath.

Re: Sperm Whales blow bubbles to achieve restful, vertical sleep

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They don't "blow bubbles" to sleep vertically, they vent gas to regulate their specific gravity. This allows them to sleep vertically When I read this I thought you'd discovered that the whales release the gas in a form other than by blowing bubbles, or that the purpose of doing so was for something other than improved sleep. But no, the whales literally release air through their blowhole in the form of bubbles, an…

Oof, sorry if that was misleading. Maybe I'm overly fixated on the "to" in "to achieve": the whale doesn't care about the bubbles, they serve no important purpose in helping them sleep, it's just what happens when you vent air under water. It's also kind of a nitpick, but the scientists refer to resting whales, but specifically state that they don't know if they are sleeping. I guess getting a proper EEG on a sperm w…

I think this is tied to your own mental mapping of the term “blowing bubbles” and that it’s typically an active rather than passive action. But the headline isn’t wrong and it’s in fact doing a really good job of communicating the underlying idea in a thought provoking way while being technically correct. This is kind of a feat of science journalism.

Re: Sperm Whales blow bubbles to achieve restful, vertical sleep

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> It is particularly fascinating they are able to make these fine-scale adjustments while they are thought to be asleep, a challenge totally alien to terrestrial mammals like us humans. While fascinating it’s not surprising. The vegetative nervous system does a LOT of things on autopilot. I think most people have no idea how many things their body regulates permanently that are actually technically difficult (orienta…

“These crazy hairless primates are able to walk across a tightrope by using their ears!”

Technically true. And also points to interesting physiological systems that continuously “automate” seemingly complex actions.

Re: Sperm Whales blow bubbles to achieve restful, vertical sleep

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The title of the original article [1] is a lot more clear: Buoyancy regulation through modulation of onboard gas volume by resting sperm whales They don't "blow bubbles" to sleep vertically, they vent gas to regulate their specific gravity. This allows them to sleep vertically below the surface. The scientists measured the gas release by listening for bubbles, but they did a lot more: they actually modeled the buoyan…

I’m going to start referring to exhaling as “venting gas”. Thank you.
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